Eastern Conference Finals (Playoff): Chicago Bulls(1) Vs Miami Heats(2)

wow we have a mind reader here..

and i meant the sixers big deal..

bulls struggled during the games they lost because of indiana's physical play and atlanta's atheticism but they were impressive in making the necessary adjustments and changes then eventually winning both series convincingly

what? you think beating an aging celts team with a starting pg playing with one arm was all that impressive?

beating two dinosaur front courts ain't all that much more impressive than beating one young and physical team and another talented and athletic team who beat the magic

 

Uh, duh. We're not allowed to criticize the Heat, didn't you get the memo?

Although LeBron's performance in the last 3 minutes of game 5 was out of the realm of reality...

 

that celtics team was still 2-3 levels ahead of haws/pacers regardless. the celtics would beat the pacers/hawks to advance if they had to face them.

you can't deny miami and dallas have had the most impressive series (one beating the celts and the other beating the lakers). that's why most people consider them the favorites.

 

if you read my post i've never denied that miami has been more impressive than the bulls.. all I'm saying posters who say that people who think that bulls will win this series are simply homers who doesn't take actual performance into consideration are simply wrong themselves..

 

not sure about that.. celtics are simply old.. of all the eastern conference playoffs teams, which one is most people saying needs rebuilding?

and who will be stopping teague or collison? rondo's right arm?

 

Same people calling Celtics old, are the same people saying the Heat had no chance to beat them in the playoffs.

Over 260 people voted for the Celtics to beat the Heat on this forum.

People will keep making excuses for the Heat winning, and if they win it all this year, they will say "It means nothing unless they win again"

 

heat beat the celtics no one's denying that or making excuses

but are you denying that the celtics are indeed old? if they're not old or washed up why do majority of people around the league saying that they need to rebuild the most compared to other eastern conf teams?

what's the average age of their starting five? try comparing that to all the eastern conf playoff team's starting five

plus their youngest starter was playing with one arm for the latter half of the series.. no one who predicted the celtics to win would have seen that happen

 

since when is the L right? like you said, almost every media outlet picked the celtics to beat the heat. everyone said they were the favorites after they dismantled the knicks.

the L is "what have you done for me lately" kind of league. b/c the celtics lost, age is the easiest think to blame. just like the same way they're saying about the lakers (about how to blow them up).

and yet it was just 2 weeks ago that the celtics were the team to beat in the playoffs? ray allen and paul pierce were peaking at the right time as both destroyed the knicks offensively; rondo was rolling and their D was top notch.

in the playoffs, your weaknesses can get exposed and the heat did that to the celtics. the heat are simply YOUNGER and MORE ATHLETIC, and that's why their age got exposed. had they play bulls who aren't as athletic on the perimeter, it may not have been a problem.

or had the lakers not play the mavs, their weaknesses may have been hidden a little longer.

again, this is why you watch the playoffs. and in the playoffs, it's ALL about MATCHUPS

 

celtics are a couple notches better than pacers/hawks.... i dunno why youre not sure about that. celts are 4-0 against pacers this season and 2-1 against hawks.

 

Anyone who doesn't think this series will be a total one-sided obliteration of the Cows is completely out of their minds.

 

I thought game 1 was today? that suckssss its not, suppose ill have to enjoy the weather

 

Its at 7pm on TNT.

 

so you admit that regular season win-loss record is a very good predictor for who wins in playoffs matchups?

 

by one-side oblteration I assume you mean a sweep right?

 

what you have described above clearly shows that is happening right now.. at this point of the playoffs the heat has been more impressive than bulls but that does not necessarily mean bulls have no chance to win...

 

exactly. you can say that about EVERY matchup. but the L always goes w/ what's hot.

but with us NBA fans who literally watch EVERY playoff game (and a lot of games throughout the season), you try to break it down as much as possible (clutchfans have some of the most knowledgeable fans there are).

tell me if you don't agree with this: the ONLY way the bulls will beat the heat 4 out of 7 (not 1 or 2 games, FOUR) is if they literally dismantle the heat on the boards (like +10 every game) and get AT LEAST 8 more 2nd chance points than the heat.

you and i know derrick rose will not dominate every game offensively in terms of scoring efficiently. he will have to take a lot of shots to get his points. miami is as well equipped as any team to guard rose. they have chalmers/wade/james to throw at him; and we saw how much rose struggled in the first round w/ guys bigger/stronger/and just as athletic guarding him. his speed will still kill, but it'll be more difficult throwing up those layups and settling more for jumpers. that HURTS the bulls. and the only way they can counter that is gobble up his misses and make them into 2nd chance points.

can they do that 4 games out of 7? the heat will go small, and how will the bulls counter that? if they go small, their rebounding advantage is out the window. if they go big, they have no offense. an aging KG is still better (more feared to the heat) than boozer/gibson/asik offensively and defensively. he just has that much respect. noah really has to dominate his position on BOTH ends EVERY game for the bulls to have a chance.

i really don't see any rationale that says miami loses to the bulls 4 games out of 7 unless miami implodes or reverts back to their "choking" ways.

you have lebron/wade playing at their highest level, and that level is 2-3 levels above drose. and you have bosh who no longer has to face his daddy KG/and you now he played like a wuss. and yet bosh's boston's series stats are BETTER than boozer's entire playoff production. and KG is a better individual defender than anyone on the bulls outside of asik.

the bulls will win 1 or 2 games, but 4 games i think are too much to ask. and i expect the bulls to win game 1 b/c the heat will still be hungover from the celts series since they they that's their championship. then they'll get back to business in game 2

game 1 - bulls win
games 2,3,4 - heat win
game 5 - bulls win
game 6 - heat win

usually it is, but it can't be applied to the heat b/c of their special circumstances. this is not your typical assembled NBA team. like i said, an ESPN article stated that the heat NEVER rolled out the lineup of chalmers/wade/james/bosh/anthony against the bulls. NOT ONCE and that is their best +/- lineup. the heat experimented the most lineup-wise out of any team in the L b/c we all know about their struggles and tribulations throughout the reg season. they never ran the james/wade pick and roll until the last month of the season.

thats why you can't use reg season just for the heat. i mean, they were 2-2 vs the knicks, would you think the knicks are just as good as the heat? the heat lost to them TWICE in the same span that they lost to the bulls twice (during their choking phase).

but for a case like the 07 warriors vs the mavs, you know damn well the reg season success would carry over b/c both teams were pretty conssitent throughout the year in how they play.

 

I'll agree with that ONLY if you can prove that the heat NEVER lost a single game this year with the opponent having +9 or less boards OR +7 or less 2nd chance points

list all the heat's losses this season showing the team +/- on total rebounds and 2nd chance points and if on any of the heat's losses the opponent only have +9 or less rebounds OR +7 or less 2nd chance points then you statement is absolutely wrong

 

let's talk about the playoffs
vs philly
game 1: heat win, they were + 13
game 2: heat win, they were +6
game 3: heat win, they were +16
game 4: heat loss, they were -8
game 5: heat win, they were -6

vs boston:
game 1: heat win, they were even
game 2: heat win, they were +6
game 3: heat loss, they were -3
game 4: heat win, they were +17
game 5: heat win, they were +8

let's look at the bulls
vs pacers:
game 1: bulls win, they were +15
game 2: bulls win, they were +24
game 3: bulls win, they were even
game 4: bulls lose, they were +1
game 5: bulls win, they were even (rose shot 47% here)

vs hawks:
game 1: bulls loss, they were -1
game 2: bulls win, they were +18
game 3: bulls win, they were +13
game 4: bulls loss, they were -1
game 5: bulls win, they were +4
game 6: bulls win, they were even (rose shot 57% here)

looking at the trend, bulls are 0-2 when they lose the rebounding battle. like i've said all season the bulls win MORE b/c of their defense and rebounding. drose is simply just cherry on the top. if he plays well, it just makes it easier. if they don't win the rebounding battle, it's due to rose shooting very well.

bulls are 4-0 when they outrebound their opponents by +10. they are only 4-3 when they don't outrebound their opponents by more than 10 (and like i said, they require rose to shoot well in those games to compensate).

looking at the heat, they are 1-2 when they lose the rebounding battle.

the heat's main weakness is interior rebounding (not defense). their interior defense is one of he best, but they lack the size to rebound. this is the ONE huge advantage the bulls have over the heat.

it's really obvious. bulls need to dominate the boards BY A LOT to win this series. like literally DISMANTLE the heat's backboard

 

so it's a FACT heat can lose the rebounding battle by only 3 rebounds and lose a playoff game right?

I thought you said you said it to be at least ten rebounds?

 

to win 4 games out of 7 my friend. FOUR GAMES.

but the rebounding battle matters more for the bulls b/c their offense is mediocre. they are 0-2 when they lose the rebounding battle in the playoffs.