E3 2005 - PS3 and XBOX360 discussion found here Thanks Beard of Dan Higgs!

Hotdamn!!! What booth are they at? I might have to stop by to take some pic.

 

I think they are the Gizmondo booth babes.

 

Too many cinematics and renders that 'will be' what gameplay is going to be like. That's one of the things that bothers me about a lot of what we're seeing this last couple of days.

The vg companies are too good at hype....and then at letting us down later on. I want to see real games, not this stuff.

 

I agree with you about coming away disappointed at the end. But the thing is nobody know for sure if those footages/videos are for real, meaning you can actually play them, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to rule out the fact that it isn't real...not yet. Why if you ask? Well, just going by the PS3 specs alone it has the most powerfull cell processor and video card to date in a home console. The best video card you could buy now that will cost you almost $1000 is only half as powerfull as the one in the PS3. So its possible to have a game like Kill Zone run at real time like the demo. Of course we won't know for sure until mid 2006, but right now I'm remaining neutral.

About that Kill Zone article- It seems like the company(Gureilla) had very little time to come up with that demo making the writer suspicious, but it also possible that they gave Sony permission to use the Kill Zone license so that maybe Sony themselves came up with that demo since they've already experiences the PS3 devkit first hand.

 

MS doesn't need to have a "killer E3" because 99% of electronics consumers don't pay attention to E3.

E3 is for us geeks.

This Christmas all the little kiddies will be scraming for their new Xbox. Peeps will wanna play Madden on Xbox Live. Every current Xbox owner - especially the current Live subscribers - is gonna by the 360...

It makes no sense to to let it all out at E3, almost a year before your competition will release their consoles.

 

Are those women real? That should be the question everyone is asking. I'm not even sure who I'd sleep with first. They all look great. Now if Gizmundo can put them into a game, I'm buying.

And that does make you wonder, if you can create graphics like that for killzone, do you really think they'd be making graphics like for killzone, or perhaps, they's be making graphics like that with the women shown up above. "Man down, get a nurse, stat." "How you doin?"

 

Guys, I'm watching G4 right now and this guy they interviewed from SCEA said himself...KILLZONE IS ACTUAL GAMEPLAY! He was asked if Killzone was real or not, he said actual gameplay, so all I have to say is wow.

 

Whoa...

 

^Damn if that Hacking thing is true, that solves my problems, I'd get the PS3 (If Hackable)... WOW, MS would just trash the whole unit to keep hackers out...CRAZY..

Edit- Anyone else see that cool NES Micro gameboy?? The last time I played a Gameboy/handheld was when it first came out, but the Mico looked really cool..

 

Interview with one of the Kill Zone designer "Is It Real?"


E3 2005: Killzone Interview

This new interview answers some questions and totally doesn't answer others. Is it real?
by Ivan Sulic

May 18, 2005 - The official UK PlayStation.com website recently posted an interview with Guerilla Killzone PS3 designer, Jan-Bart Van Beek. It goes like...

How do you feel about the reaction to the trailer that was shown yesterday?

Jan-Bart: It's been an amazing reception, the rush you get from seeing your own stuff on the big screen like that, and then the reaction to it, it's a big rush, I'm really happy about it.

How long ago did work start on the sequence?

Jan-Bart: We started working on it in late November, and only finished it three days before the show, at the very, very last moment!

It seemed like Killzone, only more so! Is that what we can expect from the finished game?

Jan-Bart: We want to avoid having just Killzone with more beautiful graphics. We want to add a lot more to it than that. So we're adding a lot more character interaction, with the ways they respond to you and how you can react to them. There's a lot more interactions between characters like you see in the trailer, people dragging each other off out of combat and helping each other, giving each other their weapons - a lot more real human interaction, basically.

[Ben Duncan, the game's Producer] It's like with the Alfred Molina demo, the quality of facial animation we can get with the characters means you'll really feel that emotional sense of being part of a unit and fighting together. Characters working together, comrades pulling each other back from the field of battle; that kind of thing is really going to move the genre forward.

There's a great moment where you see an ISA ally take out a Helghan with his rifle butt to save your bacon... is that representative of the kind of sophisticated behaviour we'll start seeing in artificial intelligence when PS3 arrives?

Jan-Bart: Yes, totally, it's just the start. Characters will be very aware, very alert to how they might be able to help you. That moment [with the rifle butt] is a good example of how it can add a little visual 'wow' to it all.


Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

Have you found PS3 easy to work with?

Jan-Bart: Yes, we're really impressed with it. The Cell is amazingly powerful, and the graphics CPU [the RSX, co-developed with Nvidia] in there... it's actually hard to mimic it on our development PCs, we have to see it on the PS3 hardware itself. It's really nice to be working with such powerful hardware.

As yet, high definition TV isn't that widespread, especially in Europe - are you concerned that some players won't get to see your game in as much detail as is intended?

Jan-Bart: No, I think in two, three years' time, HDTV will be a lot more accepted, in Europe too. We'll start out with 720p and then [onto 1080p] as there's now this product [PS3] that people will want to buy a new TV for.

Thanks, and congratulations on the work.

Jan-Bart: Thanks! [Beams proudly]

Oh oh... MS better start coming out with something good fast! Gears Of War anyone?

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html

 

Even though I'm a Sony fanboy myself ( a converted Ninteno, then Turbo Grafx, then SNES), I hope that MS and Nintendo comes up with great titles. The more competition that each company faces, the better. That's why I wonder if a Nintendo/MS merger won't be too far down the road. I think that would be one system Sony might not be able to handle

 

I own both XBOX & PS2 but I play the XBOX 95% of the time. If a game I want is on both systems, I always go for the XBOX version. I think the PS2 is great but I just like my experience with the XBOX THAt much better, Funny thing is that, everyone that I know that owns both as well, say and do the same thing. I guess, if this makes us fanboys, so be it.

But, I will definitely be getting a XBOX 360 and, the others I know, plan on doing so as well. We don't give a crap about what they are doing at some conference in the middle of spring, nor if you can hack/mod anything, or even if the PS3 has better hardware.

Besides, I look at what has happened this E3 the other way. Sony couldn't allow 360 to dominate all the talk and hype for the week, so they HAD to bring it. They couldnt go in hoping, just because their Playstation, that people will forget about their big rival coming out much sooner. They HAD to let the public know what is in store now. I think MS is waiting to create as much buzz and hype for the system closer to the launch. It says more to me that Sony to E3 with all their big weapons. Could they be a little worried about the competition? Of course, I could be completely wrong cause this is all just a big calculated guess on my part.

I know it seems as if I'm dogging Sony but I really don't mean to as I just about everything both companies have done and has shown for the future. Fact is that both will be great systems with great games and each with their positives and negatives just like their respective systems out now. If you have the money, get both and you will be just fine.

 

That would be teh ghey if MS takes away the versatility of the Xbox through overreacting to the "hackers" - who are actually modders & the hardcore gamers they need to stay loyal to them.

 

I think my choice between the 360 or PS3 will be determined by price. Then it's gonna be by hardware and games. I know that between the PS2 and Xbox, there are certain games I want but since I have a PS2, I just go ahead and play those games on the XBOX since it's more powerful and looks better.

We've got a long way to go though...plenty of time for all of the systems to show off their stuff. Especially Revolution...show something already!

 

i had a ps2 and an xbox and have to agree that anything that came out for both i automatically bought the xbox version. everything else being equal the graphics would always be slightly better, you'd have the hard-drive and i personally perfer the controller s. i sold my ps2 a while back but i do miss out on quite a few games i'd like to play, god of war, san andreas. my xbox playing since october has pretty much been halo 2 and mvp baseball and that's it.

i have no loyalty to a brand, but when halo 3 comes out i'm sure gonna have a tough time if i don't own a 360.

 

RC, thank you for your posts in this thread and in the past, they are very informative, and I mean that, you could almost do this for a living - but if you did you would have to drop the hardcore sony lover/ms basher angle, which is pretty unveiled.

 

I agree with you 100%. I DL the Sony 2 hour press conference and they explain in details every nook and crany of the PS3 power with live tech demo to back it up. I was imprerss to say the least if what they said is true or not. But with demos and graphical layouts at hand, its hard not to believe them. I was watching G4 and the host was asking the MS representative as he was demonstrating the XB360 and ask him if he was concern about the consoles being weaker than the PS3 and the MS rep just simply said "well, its all about the game and the power of the system does not dictate if it will be successfull or not".

 

Maybe you guys can answer this question....

Does it seem to you that Sony in putting out the PS3 has their mind set on having the PS3 on the market and as their number one gaming system for alot longer then the PS2.



Now that the graphics look so good and considering how powerfull the PS3 is supposed to be....I just get the feeling that its a longer term system.


When the Ps2 came out, it was great and you knew it would be around for a while....but you also knew that it could be improved on again in the not to distant future.


Now with the PS3....they would be able to improve on it again, but would the improvements they could make in say 4 or 5 years time be worth putting out another system when the PS3 could probably still get the job done and do it VERY well.


Hope that makes sense.