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Christopher · May 18, 2005

I know that back when I got my PS2 the exchange rates didnt help at my end.....but at the same time.....I know its its probably going to be like the petrol prices.

When the price of oil goes up.....the cost of petrol goes up. When the oil goes down....the price of pertol doesnt go down because it does work that way.

RC Cola · May 18, 2005

Originally posted by Rocket G
A very good post by someone with some technical background on another thread: LINK

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Lets put this in simple words. Sony is lying out of their asses. Microsoft is too, but to a lesser extent.

Sony is claiming that the Cell microprocessor that they're getting from IBM is a 200 GFLOPS machine. Now, it has 8 processing units (1 general purpose, 7 vector processing) clocked at 3.2 ghz a piece. Each processing unit can perform 2 instructions at a time. Since an instruction cannot possibly take less than 1 clock, this gives a theoretical maximum of around 51 GFLOPS, far less than the advertised 200 GFLOPS. Real world performance will be far less though.

The Xbox360 only has 3 cores that can do a total of 2 instructions per second. This gives it a theoretical peak of 19.2 GFLOPS. But, the cores are much more flexible, and have much better branch prediction than the Cell's vector processing units, increasing efficiency.

The reason that processing is a tossup is because while Sony has more cores with more theoretical total instructions per second, MS has more powerful cores that are more flexible. Parallelism on the scale that the Core microprocessor works on is very hard to do efficiently.

Now the video processor for the PS3 claims to be 1.8 TFLOPS while the current generation is capable of around 60 GFLOPS. The card that the PS3's video card will be based off of is capable of around 120-160 GFLOPS. Mild tweaking to allow the chip to run without a massive deafness inducing fan usually does not increase speed by an order of magnitude. Once again, they're lying out of their asses.

MS's video processor specs are pretty honest, which is rather surprising. The reason that 1080p is not supported can be seen there. ATI included 10 MB of embedded RAM on the video processor core, which, amusingly enough, is enough to fit the whole 720p frame buffer. MS is obvious aiming for 720p as the target resolution.

Again, this is a tossup, but paying attention to the PC video card market should indicate who has the advantage.

These machines are going to be powerful, no doubt, but most of their released specs are complete bull****. Even worse, it's not even theoretically possible bull****."
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AFAIK, that's not how you count FLOPs, or at least I've never seen it counted like that. Besides the fact that every technical article on Cell confirmed that Cell was a 200+ GFLOPs processor, there is a message board I go to help fill me in on all the technical stuff. If only it was as easy as multiplying instructions by cores/VU's by clock cycle.

Here's an explanation of Cell from way back during the ISSCC:

GFLOPS rating followed the simple math - 4-way SIMD of multiply-add operation. 2 ops (multiply+add) x 4way SIMD x 4GHz = 32 GFLOPS per SPU. 8 SPU's per BE (yes, the Cell was explicitly referred to as the broadband engine) is 256 GFLOPS total.

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IIRC, that was not counting the PE. Changing things from 8 SPE's to 7, and 4GHz to 3.2, I got around 179.2 for the SPE's. I can't find the place to calculate the PE exactly, but that's ~38.8 GFLOPs away from 218. The cores in the Xbox 360 are similar to the core in the PS3 in FLOPs, IIRC, and 38.8 times 3 ~116 GFlops, pretty close to what Microsoft gave as the FLOPs for the Xbox 360. I suck at all this stuff and don't understand it, so the small difference in numbers is probably me rounding or something like that. But go to Beyond3D or some other technical site, such as Real World Technologies, and they could probably explain it a lot better than I could. I was just trying to get close to that number.

I don't know anything about calculating GPUs though. I do think he may have lowballed those numbers too, although Nvidia claimed that one of there previous PC cards had a teraflop (definitely not true), so they do overrate their GPUs from time to time.

Originally posted by Dave2000
Well this explains alot about the XBox 360 games:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html
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That's true, but I expected that since every console is pretty much in the same situation. In fact, the Xbox 360 should be the furthest along considering their launch timeframe. FWIW, it seems like most of the realtime stuff done on the PS3 is being done basically off of either two SLI 6800 Ultras, or a RSX prototype, with very little, if any, use of Cell. From Microsoft, I was expecting some great looking things just running at slow framerates, which would be fixed when the devs get final kits next month. But it seems like some of the games they're showing don't look very good, IMO, AND they have poor framerates. If they look that bad, don't show them.

Originally posted by JunkyardDwg
E3 2005: PS3 Price Revealed?
One of the most expensive consoles ever created, according to Japanese reports.
by Matt Casamassina

May 17, 2005 - According a an article published in the May 17th edition of Japan's Mainichi Shimbun, the PlayStation 3 could be one of the most expensive mass-market videogame consoles ever created. Officials from Sony apparently told the newspaper that PlayStation 3s would sell in Japan for "less than 50,000 yen each." That translates to about $465 US dollars.

Sony unveiled its next-generation console at the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2005. The beast of a machine utilizes the powerful Cell processor, a custom-designed graphics chip by Nvidia, and 512MBs of RAM for a quantum leap in performance. The system will also be the first-ever to support high-def movie-playback out of the box, taking advantage of the upcoming Blu-ray Disc format.

Sony claims that PS3 will be roughly 35 times more powerful than PS2. If Mainichi Shimbun is correct, gamers will be asked to pay a hefty price for the high-end functionality.

IGN was unable to validate this news with Sony officials. Stay tuned for more as the story breaks.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615745p1.html
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This doesn't sound too strange to me. I know I said somewhere that I wouldn't doubt it if Sony sold the PS3 in Japan for $400+. This is maybe a little more than ~400, but it doesn't surprise me. If anything, I would guess the US price would rise to $350 (or why not $360 ), although I'm thinking they would still like to target the $300 price tag unless Microsoft can somehow sell its console for a higher price.

If they do the same in the UK as they did in the past ($300=300 UK pounds), then I'm guessing that the UK will be paying a pretty high price there as well. So yes, we should be lucky if Sony prices it in the $300-$400 price range. If Sony values the US market, I could see them taking a large loss here in the US and finding a way to drastically cut the costs of the PS3 down to acceptable levels. By that time, they would have made so much money of the PS2 and probably have started making some good money of the PSP, so they may be able to take the hit.

Of course, we may have to pay $50 for an extra controller, or $10 for an extra car in GT5...

Surfguy · May 18, 2005

Originally posted by yobod
Are they being p*****s about it, or are they mabye...just mabye being smart about it. Why would they want to go head to head against the market leader for all consoles sold, knowing theycan get the jump on on Sony. Even though the xbox had a good first year, Sony still has around 50-60% of all marketshare. If anything, you want to avoid a head to head situation, and try to get the early sales before the PS3 comes out. It's not about being a man, or being scaredt, its business.

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MS may be trying to make a smart business move...but that doesn't mean their not p*****s.

I don't believe that MS, by releasing early, are going to make much of a dent in those already firmly entrenched on Sony's side. Sure, there will be those...like yourself...who will buy both consoles. But, how many Sony fanboys are going to cross the line over to MS? Enough to make this a smart business move? I guess time will tell. Plus, it appears with MS's early release date...that they are having games' developer rush their games to meet the launch date AND they may not have a very good base of launch titles. I expect Sony will have a larger and better quality of launch titles. This strategy could even backfire for MS as, if the Sony console really is superior, people may decide to dump their XBox 360s(or let it collect dust) in favor of the PS3 depending on the game selection, graphics, etc. . This could impact the sales of XBox 360 games after the PS3 launch going forward.

I guess we will see how this plays out for the smart p*****s.

MS cannot win either way. They can only hope to obtain more market share but that is going to be difficult even with the early release...especially if everyone is raving about PS3 after E3 while XBox 360 is getting lower marks.

wesnesked · May 18, 2005

Anybody excited about the PSP. For a system thats only been out for 2 moths the only thing Sony mentioned in the press conference was that it can be used as a PS3 controler. Although I was expecting to hear a little more about the system,such as hardware (keyboard, web browser, GPS, TV), I'm pretty pumped about some of the games comming out. Madden, GTA, Pusuit Force (looks really cool), Infected, Coded Arms, and Socom all sound like great games. I'm still a little ticked about the lack of and price of the MS Pro Duo's, which I think is Sony delaying to sell more UMD movies in order to get more movie studio support, but regardless these games can't come quick enough. I'm picking up MVP Baseball for PSP tomorrow, and hope its as good as the console version. Plus for those watching G4 TV..isn't that Morgan Webb chick hot!

Gummi Clutch · May 18, 2005

There is no way Im paying $400 or more for either one of those at launch. It aint that serious.

JunkyardDwg · May 18, 2005

Originally posted by Surfguy
MS may be trying to make a smart business move...but that doesn't mean their not p*****s.

I don't believe that MS, by releasing early, are going to make much of a dent in those already firmly entrenched on Sony's side. Sure, there will be those...like yourself...who will buy both consoles. But, how many Sony fanboys are going to cross the line over to MS? Enough to make this a smart business move? I guess time will tell. Plus, it appears with MS's early release date...that they are having games' developer rush their games to meet the launch date AND they may not have a very good base of launch titles. I expect Sony will have a larger and better quality of launch titles. This strategy could even backfire for MS as, if the Sony console really is superior, people may decide to dump their XBox 360s(or let it collect dust) in favor of the PS3 depending on the game selection, graphics, etc. . This could impact the sales of XBox 360 games after the PS3 launch going forward.

I guess we will see how this plays out for the smart p*****s.

MS cannot win either way. They can only hope to obtain more market share but that is going to be difficult even with the early release...especially if everyone is raving about PS3 after E3 while XBox 360 is getting lower marks.
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I would think that MS's plan by launching the console ahead of the others is not to win over the PS and Nintendo fanboys...but the casual or first-time gamers...those who are undecided about what system to buy. Because they can try all they want...the chances of them turning hardcore fans of other consoles onto Xbox is gonna be slim, cause they're already dedicated fans. But its that undecided...that's the key for them - I'm thinking - in releasing the 360 this year.

StupidMoniker · May 18, 2005

On G4 today, they said that they were much more impressed by what they have seen of the 360 on the floor than what they saw in the press conference. From the video that I saw, the press conference really didn't seem geared to show off what gamers will be getting out of the 360, like the PS3 press conference, instead talking about all of the other stuff that it can do.

AntiSonic · May 18, 2005

Originally posted by Rocket G
WTF is the point of backward compatibility?

If you already have the old games, don't you by necessity have the old console? Jesus, switch the plugs and play the 5 year old damn game!

Backcomp = most overrated feature ever - Nintendo better pull something else out of its ass.
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Not everyone keeps their old systems, which themselves can be hard to find or expensive to replace.

noize · May 18, 2005

There's no freakin way Sony will sell the PS3 for $400 while the XB360 will retail for $300. Thats a hundred dollar diffrence and the majority of consumer will buy the XB360 no matter which system is better and therefore causing 3rd party support to jump on the MS bandwagon. That would equal doom for Sony if they decided to do this and is a bad business decision to began with. When was the last time a game system cost more than $300 and succeeded? Thats right none...Neo-Geo was the last system that cost over $300 and was sold at a whopping $500 buck and the system was dead before it even began to take off. The only way the PS3 will sell for that much is if all 3 system cost that much as well, and given the fact that the XB360 will be out 6 month earlier than all others, they wouldn't hesitate to keep the price lower than everybody else.

KaiSeR SoZe · May 18, 2005

Perfect Dark Zero:

May 18, 2005 - Forget the crappy screenshots you've seen. They completely misrepresent the game. Forget that Microsoft didn't show its number one game at its news conference. That was a mistake, in hindsight. My first appointment to Microsoft's booth on day one of E3 was with the Rare team responsible for the upcoming Perfect Dark Zero, and I was wowed.

I had mixed expectations; I'm a realist. Games in development often have low framerates and shoddy AI. They're not done. Of course they do. Today, I saw a demo of Perfect Dark Zero running on a Xbox alpha kit (a PC) using an old ATI graphics card, not the final GPU from the Xbox 360, and was told the game was only using about 25% to 30% of the system's full power. And Perfect Dark Zero looked incredible. Incredible. It looked nearly as good as Gears of War, which, in my humble opinion is the best looking 360 game of the show so far (I saw that running in realtime too). So, simply put, Perfect Dark Zero shocked me.

Shocked, because I wanted to see this at the Microsoft conference. Shocked, because they hid a game that clearly does NOT look like merde. Shocked, because this looked like a real next-generation game, completely changing my perception I had temporarily formed based on the early screenshots. For whatever reasons Microsoft didn't want to show it, the game I saw looked like the game I wanted to play, and have imagined playing for years.

So, enough of that. In the demo room behind closed doors, Richard Cousins, producer, and Duncan Botwood, multiplayer designer, showed off three levels of the multiplayer game. There are two main multiplayer modes: Deathmatch and Dark Ops. Deathmatch is exactly what it sounds like, a free-for-all kill-or-be-killed multiplayer mode for more than 50 players. Rare clarified that they feel comfortable with 50-players simultaneously playing online right now, not the previously spoken 64 players (which was correctly quoted before), and are testing to see how many more they can get. Dark Ops is a round-based multiplayer mode with distinct rounds, a bunch of weapons, where you earn cash for kills, and is much like Counterstrike, only with different scenarios.

The demo started in a spawn room. The spawn room serves two purposes, the first of which eliminates spawn camping. If you're killed, you'll re-spawn in the enemy-free spawn room with weapons. The second use is for what Rare called Advanced Teleports. When you come upon an Advanced Teleport in the open space, you can wire it to work for you, given the proper tools. Once wired, it immediately transports you to the spawn room, for new weapons, health, whatever.

There are three vehicles in the game -- the jetpack, a motorcycle, and a hovercraft -- but Rare only showed the jetpack in motion. The movement and fluidity of the jetpack is excellent. You can fly around in full 360 degrees while the camera pulls out to a third-person perspective. The level of detail, shading and lighting on the jetpack is fantastic. You can easily jump into a jetpack with the press of a button, and both you and enemies have access to them.

Visually, the levels we saw are massive, and every thing you can see is being generated in realtime. There are no flat artistic backgrounds. What you see is actually there. The desert map we saw boasted two bases, and it was without a doubt, massive. But it's designed for up to 50-plus players, so it will double in size when enough players are there to play. Players can manually choose to scale the map sizes, or the game will count the players available and set up the right size map for the right number of players.

The game we saw showed off incredible high-fidelity imagery. Everything is bump and normal mapped. The roads and walls and surfaces delivered parallax textures, a technique that uses one- to two- polygons yet provides volume and normal mapping and perfect reflections, lighting and shadow work over vast surfaces. There was a level of dust moving though the bases, which looked like Persian forts and similarly architectured buildings. The color palates were sandy yellow and brown, but the fine tile work was bright in design, offsetting the desert surroundings. The jetpack issues a light-sea blue fume and heat vlurring effect that reflects on any surface you fly by, providing an eye-catching effect. Even the gun reloads are beautiful. There is a slight blur effect used for these too. The level of detail on the guns is ridiculously high.

There were only two characters on-screen simultaneously and the game was running at about 20-25 frames per second, but again, the game is only running at 30% capacity. The special effects were running beautifully. All of the weapons have primary and secondary fire, and the secondary fire on each weapon is totally different. For instance, the pulse rifle's secondary fire option is a cloaking device. The only way you can see a cloaked enemy is by using a specially acquired vision technology, or if the enemy happens to run through a dust cloud, in which case you'll see a mercurial transparent silhouette that's gorgeous.

Weapon-wise, the game returns the RPC (seen in the original Perfect Dark), a pulse rife, a handgun, s sniper rifle, and many more. The jetpack itself has weapons built in for you to shoot. There was no HUD showing off any kind of ammo count, so it looks, right now, to have unlimited ammo. Gadget-wise, you can throw out a sentry device coming from what Rare called a Laptop gun. Basically, what looks like a sticky mine attaches to a wall, and when an enemy comes near, it starts firing when an invisible line is crossed. Enemies can either blast them to pieces or they can rewire them to reverse their actions, shooting at you instead. You will see the enemy armor degrading over time, too. Enemies will run by and you'll see their armor in tatters, falling off and broken off. It looks excellent.

The game is shown from the first-person perspective, but it often switches to the third-person perspective. For example, when to come close to a wall, it instantly switches to a cinematic view, enabling you to see your character, the corner you're hiding behind, and the enemy you're hiding from. The switch in perspective is instantaneous and it works. The same camera option happens when you crouch. When you fire, the camera instantly zooms to an over-the shoulder perspective, giving you a better angle on the opponent. The game offers auto-aiming very much like in DOOM 3 or in Halo 2. Rare feels comfortable getting its game to run at 30 FPS when all is said and done.

You can hold four weapons simultaneously, and you have four slots to put them in. You can fill up all the slots with weapons, or if you like Halo's excellent melee system, you can fill up only three. By doing so, the empty slot enables you run up to enemies and steal their weapon right out of their hands. It's totally fun to run up to an unsuspecting enemy, grab their weapon and then kill them with it. Very satisfactory, even when just watching.

Audio-wise, the game supports an interesting sound scheme. By using the Dpad, players can decide to speak globally to all of the players on their team -- yes, up to 50-plus people -- or by hitting another angle on the Dpad, they can decide to speak with individuals or a small group. The local audio found in Halo 2 is not what this game is about. You will not be able to hear from an enemy when he's killed you and wants to trash talk. You won't be able to hear him at all.

After our 30-minute demo I was smiling, excited and still a little perplexed. Why didn't Microsoft show this on the showfloor, why didn't this very demo appear in motion in front of the hundreds of people crowded into the Shrine Auditorium? The demo I saw of Perfect Dark Zero, using an alpha kit running on a current-generation graphics card, is only running at 30% capacity. And it looked gorgeous. Absolutely beautiful, and nothing like the screenshots or clips you've seen so far. We'll have more on Perfect Dark very soon indeed.
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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616196p1.html

Surfguy · May 18, 2005

And the momentum switches back to XBox 360!

Rocket G · May 18, 2005

MS knows better than to blow its wad at E3.

Word will get around & the console will be out earlier than the others. Sony is about to lose some more marketshare.

DaDakota · May 19, 2005

OH MY GAWD,

Just spent a day at our booth, and can not tell you how impressed I am wtih the booth babes.

I have worked at MS, EA, Ubisoft, Universal etc..etc...etc...and this booth the Gizmondo one has the best looking women I have ever seen.

I am having a hard time talking to people because my jaw is dragging the floor.

WOW !

DD

vwiggin · May 19, 2005

Pictures! Pictures!

noize · May 19, 2005

Originally posted by vwiggin
Pictures! Pictures!

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I agree, anyone that went to E3 please post some pics of the booth babes...I've heard they were the best this year.

droxford · May 19, 2005

I worked a booth once in New Orleans at a sign-industry show. Across from our booth was a booth full of Japanese men in suits (none more than 4 feet tall) who were showing their product: a photo-booth machine that would spit out photos on stickers. Normally, I wouldn't expect any people to visit this booth - most of them didn't speak English, and they just seemed out of place.

But, they had hired some local model girls to work the booth. They would entice men to come to the booth and have their picture taken with the hot chicks and get some stickers. It was brilliant: their booth was constantly crowded.

Lesson learned: when working a trade show booth, hire some beautiful young girls, and the crowds will come.

RC Cola · May 19, 2005

Originally posted by Rocket G
MS knows better than to blow its wad at E3.

Word will get around & the console will be out earlier than the others. Sony is about to lose some more marketshare.
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IMO, MS has to have a great E3 if they want the Xbox 360 to do well. It will be coming out first and it has to convince people that it is worth buying in the fall and not some Xbox 1.5. If that means showing everything the have up their sleeve, then they must do that. Sony and/or Nintendo should not be the talk of E3; Microsoft should be.

FWIW, I've been reading that the Spring 2006 release of the PS3 is for the US launch. Whether or not the Japan launch is before that or if the PS3 launches in both places at once is not known though.

Following up on my earlier post about the PS3's price, apparently Bloomberg has other ideas about the console prices:

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo haven't disclosed the price they intend to charge for their new consoles. Microsoft's new Xbox may cost about $400, Sony's may cost about $300 and Nintendo's new console may cost $150 to $200, Enderle said.

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I don't see that happening just as much as I see the PS3 launching for $465, but that should explain how difficult it is to estimate prices right now.

As for the PDZ impressions, I'm happy to see that Rare has put together a great looking game because if PDZ really was as bad looking as it seemed last Thursday, they would probably become the worst developer studio in the world. Of course, like the IGN article points out, I don't see why Microsoft isn't showing something very impressive to the public. I was reading some impressions from the E3 floor at GA (Here), and some (not all) of the games were getting some bad impressions.

I wouldn't doubt that they have something impressive to show us. Here are some pics from Madden and FIFA that were shown behind closed doors, IIRC:

There is also an image of Live 2006, but it is massive, so just check out the link:
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1225/755_0001.jpg

So it seems that maybe Xbox 360 isn't Xbox 1.5 behind closed doors, according to these images. Microsoft just needs to let that be known.

noize · May 19, 2005

IGN's opinion on KIll Zone tech demo on the PS3- "Its too good to be a game"

This is just too damn good. There's no way, man. There's just no freaking way.

Something this amazing cannot be. It's a physical impossibility. I am incapable of eating the planet Jupiter with a plastic spoon and this game can't be real. It's way, way too awesome for life to handle it. Hell, I don't even think it can be CG. You know what? It probably doesn't even exist! I think we just imagined it, so let's just blindly carry on with our lives, eh? But then again...

If the Killzone 2 video shown at Sony's E3 2005 press conference was made entirely from the in-game engine and does indeed represent the power of PlayStation 3, look the hell out.

It begins with ISA forces rapidly descending down from a pristine sky onto an entrenched Helghast army that has taken hold of a now ruined city. Our eyes sharpened. Our hearts quickened. Our blood tingled. We could hear the battle cries of a thousand brave warriors throughout time ringing in our ears. Any b*stard that doesn't lay down and submit when we land is going to die and die damn hard. We're going to fly straight in there and kick the holy hell out of those dirty mutated sons of b****es.

As the clouds whip past and the stabilizing engines of our flying dropship fire to slow our fall, we're hit in the face by a heavy World War II sensation. Much like the battle hardened men who road bravely aboard Higgins Boats were ready to face the worst threat of our time, these fictional boys of the future are about to stride into the jaws of hell and rip the devil's tongue straight out of throat.

And so the oddly helmet-less heroes of the ISA descend through rocket and machine gun rounds, but not all of the boats make it. One gets tagged by a stray missile and careens right into a nearby building, lighting up the world with brilliant streak of burning death and then darkening it with a wretched plume of deep black smoke. The dropship we're focused on does land, however, and our hero loads a grenade shell into his weapon and leaps over the rail to kill the hell out of the enemy.

The scene is chaos.

Good Lord
Heavily scripted action governs progression as the men shoot their way through enemies at all angles. Up and down, people are dying and the landscape becomes littered with corpses, the wounded, the broken, and the shattered remnants of civilization. It's an utterly astonishing site of horror that combines the sharp grit of Saving Private Ryan with the distinct futuristic clarity of one of StarCraft's many stylized CG battles. As the demo rolls on we're treated to flamethrowers, barrages of missiles, vicious death scenes and elaborately laid out firefights. It's amazing, but perhaps a bit too amazing.

Look, we want it to be real. We honestly do. If it is, we'd feel complete -- whole. But we have suspicions we simply cannot shake.

In August of 2004 this editor visited the offices of Guerilla in Amsterdam. There team members admitted that Killzone 2 development was well underway, but that they did not intend to release on PlayStation 3 and that they had, in fact, not even been provided with PS3 development kits at the time. That means that between August of 2004 and May of right now, Guerilla received tools and made a game for a system they knew pretty much nothing about -- a game that is as ridiculously polished as this one, no less. I don't care how fantastic of a developer your company might be, something like that just doesn't happen.

We're inclined to mistrust Killzone 2's gameplay legitimacy even further because of the way the video plays out. No shooter in existence features characters that do exactly the right thing at exactly the right time all the time. It seems as if the entire Killzone 2 showing was like a wish that did not waver, not even once. Then there's the way the control seems suspiciously fast to be done on analog sticks. The circumstantial evidence is just too much to ignore, you know?

All that being said, I cannot in good faith tout Killzone 2 as the best looking game ever because I really don't think it's a real game yet. But it sure is one hell of a CG sequence that, if in anyway happens to be representative of the final product, shows us what next-generation shooting should be like.

We've got the full movie and a few pieces of early art assembled in our media page below. Check those out when you a get a chance and marvel at what great scripting and proper art direction can accomplish for a game.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614924p1.html

noize · May 19, 2005

Gears Of War on XB360- Looks like it could rival Kill Zone.

DrLudicrous · May 19, 2005

Originally posted by vwiggin
Pictures! Pictures!

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DaDa,

I'll buy a Gizomondo if you can get me one of their phone numbers.

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