E3 2005 - PS3 and XBOX360 discussion found here Thanks Beard of Dan Higgs!

Anybody check out the Ghost Recon 3 clip for 360....wow..just wow

Definitely better than anything I've seen on Xbox.

 

Well after reading all the stuff from E3 I cant make up my mind what to buy (PS3 or 360) I think I will hold off till we find out what "box" is the easiest to hack and the winner (or loser) depending on how you look at it will get my money in the end..

 

I think nerd leader Bill Gates is trying to rush XBox 360 to market so he can utilize their overall strategy of capturing more of the market share this time around. Therefore, I don't think MS is as interested in giving consumers the best console. I think this strategy is going to lose some consumers. XBox will likely be obsolete as far as new games development by the time XBox 360 comes out meaning XBox had a much shorter life span than PS2.

Since MS is all about their bottom line this time around and not giving consumers the better hardware to keep up with the competition, I'm not sure I'm going to jump on board the XBox 360 even though I own a XBox now.

I would much rather see a face-off between XBox 360 and PS3 where they release within a month of each other. MS is rushing XBox 360 and I think it shows. I guess MS is afraid to face-off against Sony in an even playing field. p*****s.

 

Are they being p*****s about it, or are they mabye...just mabye being smart about it. Why would they want to go head to head against the market leader for all consoles sold, knowing theycan get the jump on on Sony. Even though the xbox had a good first year, Sony still has around 50-60% of all marketshare. If anything, you want to avoid a head to head situation, and try to get the early sales before the PS3 comes out. It's not about being a man, or being scaredt, its business.

Did Microsoft rush the 360? Only the future will tell that, but its safe to say that its going to be a great year for console gaming. Im a huge fan of both the xbox and PS2 and plan on buying them both when they come out.

Quick question: Are the PS3 and Xbox360 vids that they showed game footage or trailers? The reason I ask this cause anything can look good prerendered and shown on a HDTV.

 

There was a little PSP news yesterday at E3 about Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/615/615441p1.html

E3 2005: GTA PSP is Here!
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories announced for PSP.

by Ivan Sulic
May 17, 2005 - Rockstar Games just announced what Sony PlayStation Portable owners the world over have been waiting for... Grand Theft Auto is coming, baby.


Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories is set to release across North America and Europe on September 1 of this year, coinciding with the European launch of PSP.
According to officially released materials, Liberty City Stories is being developed by Rockstar Leeds in conjunction with the franchise creators at Rockstar North. And, it will be a PSP exclusive title.

Sam Houser, President of Rockstar Games, says, "Returning to Liberty City and bringing it to life on a handheld system has been both nostalgic and extremely inspiring for us. The incredible PSP system technology allows for fans of the previous Grand Theft Auto titles to revisit Liberty City and see it from an amazing new perspective with an entirely original storyline. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories will be a bold new experience that has never before been possible on a portable platform."

Leslie Benzies, President of Rockstar North, continues... "We've been very ambitious with Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories. By collaborating extensively with Rockstar Leeds, we've been able to create a massive, uncompromising experience on the PSP system that we believe both long-time Grand Theft Auto fans and newcomers will be excited to get their hands on."

And finally, Gordon Hall, President of Rockstar Leeds, adds his own comments. "We have worked very closely with Rockstar North to bring the same integrity and production value of the previous Grand Theft Auto titles to the PSP system. People's expectation for a Grand Theft Auto title will always be very high, and we're confident that we can deliver a revolutionary experience. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories will be the most intense and epic title created for the PSP system, undoubtedly setting the standard for this groundbreaking platform."

Billed as an entirely new kind of GTA, Liberty City Stories will "bring an unprecedented mobile dimension to this epic experience." While no real specifics are being revealed, we know that the game takes place in Liberty City and will feature the "interactive, open environment, superb voice talent and diverse music that have become pioneering trademarks of the series."

Liberty City Stories is being shown by invitation only at this year's Electronic Entertainment Expo. We'll have more details as they arise.





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Which systems will be backwards compatible (be able to play old games)???

Im thinking about selling my PS2 now.

Thanks!

 

Not sure about the Revolution and XB360, but the PS3 will be backward compatible to play PS2 and PS1 games.

 

I'm not exactly anxious about that. You'd find more people taking pictures of their schlong and pasting it on their boxers face. Oh yeah! It'll be fun beating off another persons weiner while in a boxing game! Gimme some of that!

 

I can see it now....playing the boxing game olnline on the PS3.......

"Who are you playing against"

"Some pr*ck".

 

E3 2005: PS3 Price Revealed?
One of the most expensive consoles ever created, according to Japanese reports.
by Matt Casamassina

May 17, 2005 - According a an article published in the May 17th edition of Japan's Mainichi Shimbun, the PlayStation 3 could be one of the most expensive mass-market videogame consoles ever created. Officials from Sony apparently told the newspaper that PlayStation 3s would sell in Japan for "less than 50,000 yen each." That translates to about $465 US dollars.

Sony unveiled its next-generation console at the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2005. The beast of a machine utilizes the powerful Cell processor, a custom-designed graphics chip by Nvidia, and 512MBs of RAM for a quantum leap in performance. The system will also be the first-ever to support high-def movie-playback out of the box, taking advantage of the upcoming Blu-ray Disc format.

Sony claims that PS3 will be roughly 35 times more powerful than PS2. If Mainichi Shimbun is correct, gamers will be asked to pay a hefty price for the high-end functionality.

IGN was unable to validate this news with Sony officials. Stay tuned for more as the story breaks.


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615745p1.html

 

$465?!

either way I wasn't going to get one right when it came out

Sony has a pretty weak track record in terms of actually producing a non-defective product when it launches

 

WTF is the point of backward compatibility?

If you already have the old games, don't you by necessity have the old console? Jesus, switch the plugs and play the 5 year old damn game!

Backcomp = most overrated feature ever - Nintendo better pull something else out of its ass.

 

A very good post by someone with some technical background on another thread: LINK

"Ags_EE
500+ posts
05/18/05 01:45 PM

Lets put this in simple words. Sony is lying out of their asses. Microsoft is too, but to a lesser extent.

Sony is claiming that the Cell microprocessor that they're getting from IBM is a 200 GFLOPS machine. Now, it has 8 processing units (1 general purpose, 7 vector processing) clocked at 3.2 ghz a piece. Each processing unit can perform 2 instructions at a time. Since an instruction cannot possibly take less than 1 clock, this gives a theoretical maximum of around 51 GFLOPS, far less than the advertised 200 GFLOPS. Real world performance will be far less though.

The Xbox360 only has 3 cores that can do a total of 2 instructions per second. This gives it a theoretical peak of 19.2 GFLOPS. But, the cores are much more flexible, and have much better branch prediction than the Cell's vector processing units, increasing efficiency.

The reason that processing is a tossup is because while Sony has more cores with more theoretical total instructions per second, MS has more powerful cores that are more flexible. Parallelism on the scale that the Core microprocessor works on is very hard to do efficiently.

Now the video processor for the PS3 claims to be 1.8 TFLOPS while the current generation is capable of around 60 GFLOPS. The card that the PS3's video card will be based off of is capable of around 120-160 GFLOPS. Mild tweaking to allow the chip to run without a massive deafness inducing fan usually does not increase speed by an order of magnitude. Once again, they're lying out of their asses.

MS's video processor specs are pretty honest, which is rather surprising. The reason that 1080p is not supported can be seen there. ATI included 10 MB of embedded RAM on the video processor core, which, amusingly enough, is enough to fit the whole 720p frame buffer. MS is obvious aiming for 720p as the target resolution.

Again, this is a tossup, but paying attention to the PC video card market should indicate who has the advantage.

These machines are going to be powerful, no doubt, but most of their released specs are complete bull****. Even worse, it's not even theoretically possible bull****."

 

Or...for someone that doesn't a PS2 now, they can go back and play all the great games on the PS3 and same way for the 360. So backwards compatibilty could be very useful in selling the older-generation games.

 

http://ds.ign.com/articles/615/615907p1.html

http://pc.ign.com/articles/079/079368p1.html


E3 2005: Lights Out!
Power is out. E3 is over. Everyone can go home!
by IGN Staff
May 18, 2005 - The show floor is merely one hour from opening, and no one can see it. The lights are out at the LA Convention Center, meaning that the thousands of expectant industry professionals and analysts are left waiting until power is restored.

Although patches of power exist in the building (the IGN room, where this is being written still has juice), the grid is down on West Hall and the media lounge. Sources state that full recovery could take up to six horus. A similar thing happened in 2000, when the convention center lost all Internet access. We'll shed some more light (ahem) on this story as it develops.

 

Well this explains alot about the XBox 360 games:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html

 

You guys in the U.S. shouldnt cry to much about the possible price of the PS3.

Here in Australia I payed $750 for the PS2 the day it come out and I expect to be pushing $1000 for the PS3.



I reasoned the PS2 price like this....I didnt have a DVD player and I wanted the PS2 for Gaming.....and DVD players back then were still pretty expensive....so it was pretty good value overall.


But the PS3 I'll be getting for games alone. Thats ALOT of money!



Still...if my some miricle they could get a GTA gme on the system some time after the launch...I'd pay $1000 for that!

 

from what I heard that they overprice the systems overseas because they know gamers in the US wont buy if its an outrageous price (ex. Neo-Geo) and just over price the systems a few bucks overseas to make up for it.