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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, May 16, 2005.

  1. Oski2005

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    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/617/617879p1.html :eek:

    Too lucrative for Temco to pass up?


    E3 2005: Ninja Gaiden 2 Not for 360?
    Team Ninja does not confirm the sequel for Xbox 360. Could it be headed to the PS3?
    by Hilary Goldstein

    May 20, 2005 - An interesting thing happened on the way to speak with Team Ninja head Tomonobu Itagaki -- Ninja Gaiden 2 could not be confirmed as an Xbox 360 title. Long assumed to be headed to Microsoft's next-gen system, it seems either Team Ninja isn't ready to make the 360 destination official or Gaiden 2 is secretly being developed for PS3 or Revolution. When we asked how NG 2 would improve on the 360, the translator let us know that Team Ninja would not confirm the next Gaiden for Xbox 2. That doesn't mean it isn't coming to 360, but it certainly opens the possibility for development on one of the other next-gen systems.

    To add a little fuel to the fire, last year Itagaki informed IGN that Team Ninja was looking into developing titles for the next-gen Nintendo and Sony platforms. In any case, Ninja Gaiden 2 is a long way from reality as Team Ninja will not fully dedicate itself to developing the sequel until after DOA 4 is complete.

    As for those who felt Ninja Gaiden on Xbox was too difficult, be afraid. The difficulty won't likely be lessened for the sequel. However, when asked if NG 2's difficulty would equal that of the ridiculously tough Ninja Gaiden: Hurricane Pack, Itagaki said that Hurricane Pack could be made so difficult because it was free. Well, we thought it was funny.

    We'll continue to investigate the final platform destination for Ninja Gaiden 2. Our guess is that it's still Xbox 360, but we wouldn't be shocked if it ended up being PS3 or Revolution.
     
  3. RC Cola

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    I saw that the other day. It doesn't really surprise me if Team Ninja developed at least some, if not all (after DOA 4 anyways), of their games on the PS3 given some of Itagaki's previous statements. He pretty much likes to develop game for the console with the most power. The DOA series went from the PS1->DC->PS2->Xbox. I wouldn't doubt it if they decided to kiss up to Sony and start making exclusive games on the PS3.

    That said, I don't necessarily think the move is likely. I don't think Microsoft would lose them, and to put it frankly, I don't even know if his games would sell that well on the PS3 as they would on the Xbox 360. DOA and Ninja Gaiden are some of the better games on the Xbox, but on a Sony console, they'll have to compete with Tekken, DMC, GOW, and maybe Heavenly Sword. They're good games (especially NG), but they won't be as easy a sell if they stay exclusive to Microsoft instead of going to Sony.

    A surprise would be if it were on the Revolution. I wouldn't see that one coming at all. Maybe Nintendo will be putting in a PPU, which will allow for perfect boob physics. :eek:
     
  4. DavidS

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    gamespot already has a listing for NG Black for xbox. I'd be surpised if it was on PS3 or REV. But that would be cool if they did.
     
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    Sony Playstation 3 -- Too Powerful?

    Mon. May 23, 2005 6:42 PM ET

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -- In the wake of the premier conference on gaming known simply as E3 many shocking announcements were sent out that will continue to be felt for many years to come.

    New hardware was the call of the show, with all three companies unveiling, to an extent, their new consoles. While the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Revolution specifications remained within reason -- the ultra powerful Sony PS3 caused some of the world's greatest minds to take pause.

    Noted Nobel laureate physicist Karl Weisman was the first of several scientists to step forward with an astounding revelation. If the new machine known simply as the PS3 was allowed a large enough grouping the system could merge into a massive supercomputer.

    The proverbial kicker -- the PS3 could accomplish feat entirely on its own. Using the specifications provided by Sony along with sophisticated mathematical formulas the scientists led by Weisman have estimated that ‘super grouping’ will become self-aware November 11, 2007.

    Link to full article
     
  6. DavidS

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    KC,

    Where's that link to the actual story.
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    That is so weird..? :confused:
     
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    KC is really JC...John Connor. Good job! I think we have the plotline to Terminator 4 in this thread. :D
     
  9. DavidS

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    :D

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    Not to derail the very entertaining Terminator talk, but San Andreas is coming to Xbox in another month or two.
     
  11. RC Cola

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    There's this pretty interesting interview with Hideo Kojima at 1up. Here's part of it:
    I guess that kind of gives you idea of how some of these Japanese developers come up with the originality in their games.

    BTW, I think I was wrong about the G4 wrap up. When I saw them advertising for it, I assumed it would be a 1-2 hour show that reviewed everything that went on during the week. I checked the channel several times yesterday, but the only thing related to E3 that they showed was a re-run of one of the E3 live shows last week. Also, it "continues" tomorrow. So I guess by E3 wrap-up, they mean "re-runs." Ok...I'm so glad Kevin Rose is leaving that stupid network.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    RC-

    You are passionate, but you are such a Sony fan boy........they should be paying you.
     
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    So RC prefers PS2, whatever. :rolleyes:

    So do a majority of gamers apparently, and that's pretty much what counts when it comes down to the bottom line.

    We'll see how the next gen turns out, but microsoft is facing an uphill battle at this point. I do find it funny though that the selling point of the Xbox by Microsoft and "fanboys" alike was the power of the system, but now that it appears sony will have the powereful system it's all about the games for the 360.
     
  14. RC Cola

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    Instead of just calling me that, feel free to actually post something useful that explains why I am wrong. :rolleyes:

    It feels kind of like being called a Rockets homer when you set realistic expectations or goals. Rather than calling me that, explain to me why T-Mac and Yao may not one day win a championship for the Rockets, instead of just calling me homer.

    If you have evidence that shows that Sony's developer support sucks, go ahead and post it. But I shown evidence that seems to show otherwise (BTW, Here's a better take on the Heavenly Sword thing, which, again, seems to speak highly of Sony). If a whole bunch of developers have said otherwise, I must have missed them and I would be glad to change me opinion on the matter if I felt that they proved your point.

    Just for clarification, I'm saying that Sony has the best developer support and that every developer hates to work with Microsoft or Nintendo. In fact, I'm not even saying that Sony has better or equal developer support than Microsoft (although that may be true, at least in some regards). I just think that if there is some difference between those two concerning dev support, it is most likely too small to really make a difference (unfortunately, considering how the industry works, if publishers do like Sony more than Microsoft, it probably doesn't matter what the devs think). Both sides have had strong showings from developers and encourage ambitious and original games.

    And this applies to everything as well. I try to be as realistic and impartial as possible, but if I say something incorrect due to me "fanboy" nature, prove me wrong. If I said the PS2 tech demos were easily surpassed by PS2 games, post something like this:
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    except from a Sony/PS2 techdemo, not from a Microsoft/Xbox one. ;)

    Maybe I am an extreme Sony fanboy, but I would think I would change my views on thing if I am proven wrong. I wanted JVG gone late last year like a lot of people, but he proved to me how wrong I was. Pretty much the same thing for Wesley, for the most part. Give me something other than "you're a fanboy" and I might quit being one; otherwise, I'm just going to think I'm right since I'm only seeing things from that POV.

    I apologize if this came off the wrong way, especially since I'm complaining about something that I would joke around about before. It is just starting to become a little frustrating when you're trying to be as unbiased as you can.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    ....and precisely the opposite happened for the Sony nuthuggers.
     
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    How can one possibly change their views if it's been entrenched in their mindset/beliefs in the most 'extreme' manner? It's a pretty hard hurdle to get over.

    Don't get me wrong RC, I'm not trying to make this into a much needless argument. I don't doubt that you know more about the gaming industry than I do. And I, for one, am a Sony backer...that's more because I dispise Microsoft more than anything else. But we can only speculate, like you've said before, only by what data has been given to us. But that's the smoke and mirrors that companies throws at us. The only time data can be analyzed to be made into an important factor are in PC games. Benchmarks and frames per second and what not. These are the gamers that cares about this kind of stuff. I own a PS2 and I don't know what the frame rate is compared to an Xbox or how fast the processor is and I really can care less. All I know is that when I play San Andreas, all I'm thinking about is jacking that old caddy and go pimp and make money. When I play GT4, all I want is to mod the crap out of my cars. I don't sit there and think "Say, this game's framerate is below normal standards" or "I really think Kojima missed the boat by not bringing MGS over to the XBox because there are less 'jaggies' on that system". And if I, a more than casual gamer in my day, don't care about it, who's to say the 10-11 year olds who beg their parents for a PS2 would care about it?

    Sure having a better system in terms of power and technology leads to more publishers/developers backing said system, but it's a dead end situation for those publishers/developers if they don't "go with the flow". I think a good example is Capcom exclusively bringing Resident Evil to the Gamecube for a period of time. Sure, they made good money, but in the end, I'm pretty sure they would have made a lot more if they multiplatformed it from the get go. Basically what I'm saying is, developers/publishers can speak volumes about a system and it's power, but when it's all said and done, they got a bottom line to meet, and if putting a game on a system that is very popular (PS2) despite it not being "better" than another system (Xbox) means more money in their pockets, they'll do so.

    I hope the PS3 is what people make it out to be. But I also hope Nintendo and Microsoft have something up their sleeves as well. If Nintendo comes up with something revolution-ary, I might jump back onto their bandwagon like how I made the switch to the PS1 when the then-Ultra 64 didn't excite me.
     
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    Not nearly to the same degree, imo. While the specs may be the main reason some choose to buy, I think most take for granted that Sony will deliver the games, since they have been by far for the last decade or so.

    IF the box can deliver on the games,esp right out of the gate, which I am not as confident in as I am Sony, then they could make some huge headway into Sony's share.
     
  18. noize

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    No need to argue..Its really simple determining which crowd will buy which system (Sony/MS).


    -Those who don't mind limited games and only likes the Halo series and certain sports titles(where on-line comes into play) than they will buy the X-Box.

    -Those who could live without Halo and rather takes advantages of the huge PS2 libraries due to a lot of 3rd party support like what RC had explained, than they will buy the PS2.

    The new generation will probally demand the same results, but I think the PS3 will be a better on-line system this time around.

    Just matter of preference...Me personally will get both as seeing Kill Zone(PS3) and Gears of War(XB360) made me nearly sh*t my pants.
     
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    I don't get it.

    So we're only going to get halo and sports titles huh?

    seems like a lonely library for any xbox fans :rolleyes:
     
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    Give me a break. Obviously you have never looked at the library of games XBOX features. It just doesn't start and stop with Halo. There are a ton of great games that run on the system. And, just because Sony has a larger list of games, doesn't mean that they are all good. There are only a handful of great games, a good amount of average games and a but-load of crap games on both systems.

    RC, I for one don't think you are a "fanboy" and appreciate all the info you post on here. Do I think you have a decided preference towards Sony? Sure. But, don't we all?

    I have both XBOX & PS2, I like both, but I prefer to buy most of my games on XBOX. I agree with the poster before that I don't give a crap how good the specs are on a console. I only care that I can sit down and play great games that are fun, innovative and can take my mind away from the real world even for a little while.

    Sony and Microsoft are huge companies who will be around for a long time. This is not Sega trying to beat the competition with the Dreamcast (which was a good system IMO).

    Like I have said before, both system will be great. Both will have their advantages and drawbacks, but both will give gamers an unbelievable experience that we could have never imagined even a few years ago.

    If you love XBOX, buy a 360. If you think Sony is the greatest out there, buy a PS3. Neither party will be dissapointed.

    I'll buy both (have already pre-ordered the 360) because I just can't get enough of great games, no matter who or where they come from.
     

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