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no, that's fair enough. I haven't really been following this conversation all that closely, you're right this is definitely apples and oranges . . . er, orange man? anyway. good points

 

In contrary, you're the first to continuously ridicule the GOP as if they are the only problem in the system. I have stated multiple times conservative ideology resists change. Its the nature of the beast, hence the world 'conservative'. It is the fundamental stance of their platform. Why would I criticize a party that is sticking to their ideology? I don't agree with it and I do not expect them to be progressive in any manner.

You on the other hand are one of the first to live and die by your party. Its just ridiculous to believe your 'team' is noble. I find it just as ridiculous when I come across die hard Trump supporters. I expect more out of Democrats, however they have been doing a **** job of unifying around a common goal. Do you want me to apologize for exposing your 'teams' terrible strategy? Do I need to remind you that Trump is just as ridiculous as he was in 2016 while campaigning? And yet his odds of getting elected are much much higher than before?

This is a stupid topic with no merit. There was a time would I would pass along garbage like this.

 

I think both of you are talking past each other.

I doubt @dobro1229 believes the Democrat party is full of angels and is infallible. He's stating that you believe that "both sides are equally bad".

I don't know if that is his accurate description.of your overarching belief shown in this forum, but if it I disagree.

 

When I say both sides are the same, I am stating politicians on both sides have no true conviction and will say whatever it takes to get them elected. Wall street doesnt care whether there is a D or an R as long as they are not a threat to their pocket book. Lets be honest here, Wall street has a massive influence. Its obvious Warren and Biden are the front runners while Bernie is getting grass root support. The candidates with true conviction are being pushed to the bottom because they will not easily bend to the will of big money.

 

Be that as it may, Bernie is a large portion of the Democrat left.

Look at the GOP eight's preferred candidate. The complete opposite in that he panders, doesn't give a **** about real solutions and never discusses policy in a detailed manner.

Let me just copy and paste the differences between the two parties I just posted in another thread.

In my experience, the Democrat left is far more policy driven with what many consider not pragmatic solutions that are idealistic.

The GOP right is far more culturally driven. One reason for this is the Democratic left doesn't value religous ideology in their ideological platform while the GOP right does. The GOP right cares far more about immigration and the percieved loss of "tradional" American culture.

You can see this in how they vote for their presidential candidates. The GOP right selected the least nuanced candidate in terms of policy details out of the field of 17 candidates in the primary and concentrated on cultural platitudes such as a attack on "religous liberty" and immigrants from not Caucasian regions ruining American culture, economy and tradition.

The Democratic left's two most liked candidates, Bernie and Warren, discuss economic issues and their solutions in far more nuanced manners even if many people here disagree with their viability and pragmatism.

 

Yea, it's possible,political families have been a thing in this country since the Adam's... though they come and go... not sure there are any Adam's really running anything anymore.

Don Jr. seems like the type who might give it a shot.. I don't have a read on the others.

 

So being a US senator and vice president has nothing to do with it?

You don't think Bernie has as much name recognition as Bernie.

 

What the holy hell does the DNC have to do with this?

 

I clearly said shortly after that of course the Dems make F ups galore, and should be criticized objectively when its appropriate. My issue is with your constant equating under all circumstances. It's the one constant to your posts. Are both parties guilty of hypocritical manifestations???.... Of course.

Are both parties equal in their destruction of our democracy.... Hell no. Is [insert standard Democrat] just as corrupt, and as much of a liar as Trump... no. It's not even close. The whataboutism and cynical nature of how you discuss the political landscape is something I have to call out, and at some point call out the obvious that you aren't as objective as you try to claim to be. Even in this post you prove my point by equating me to a Trump supporter. My guess is in the next post you will again find a way to equate everything as equally bad all around.

 

Ivanka maybe -- Jr. is too much of a dork.

 

If we have jobs that pay, and we can fully privatize healthcare and make them compete across statelines, you don't need socialist medicine. Their issue being healthcare is hot garbage. The economy is the number one issue, and that is tied to the labor force... which is tied to immigration. Healthcare is not a problem when you actually have a healthy economy. Something by the way, we don't have yet still.

 

*Healthcare is a major problem when just your HEALTH INSURANCE payment each month rivals your mortgage.

I don't know what kind of plan you have, but I work for a really good publicly traded company, and for a three person family on the mid-tier HMO plan, I'm paying over 1000 a month just in monthly amount that gets taken out of my paycheck. That's before regular visits, prescriptions, etc. Something is fundamentally broken when an HMO plan is that high, and I know I'm not alone in that. The costs are sky rocketing, and I believe most people understand how insurance works, and what brings costs down.... which is having as many people into the pool as you can have. The people who don't use their insurance pay for those who get sick, or get in a car wreck or get their house flooded. Socializing medical care isn't something anyone is championing but nobody is championing socialized Firefighters, or Police officers, but everyone understands that it's just too damn expensive to privatize your own personal private police officer. Doesn't matter if the stock market and un-employment is gang busters.... what matters is Debits & Credits. Right now with the costs sky rocketing, regular people are spending more than they are making.... THAT is why the economy actually sucks right now, and why Healthcare is the single biggest ECONOMIC issue that Dems speak to.

And NO... only one of the Dem candidates on that stage is talking about fully socializing the Healthcare market. Even Liz Warren changed her healthcare platform to a first 100 days - Executive Power strengthening of ACA then maybe putting a new bill on the table. Only Bernie Sanders is dying on the M4A hill. So no, it's not about Socialist vs. Private which is what you are inferring. It's about one party that believes in providing a structure to get as many people covered as possible, so the insurance pool is larger, and costs are more controlled, vs. the other party that is currently sueing in federal court to strike down the ACA and throw 20 million people off of their insurance.

You want to talk about the economy... lets talk about the economic ramifications to healthcare costs going up with THE INSURED when 20 million people suddenly get tossed out of the pool, AND your insurance company will be able to CHARGE YOU MORE because you have a pre-existing condition that was only protected because of the ACA. Monthly costs would sky rocket even more if the ACA just suddenly went away which is what Trump and the Republicans are working their butts off to try and accomplish.

 

Compete across state lines? Can we stop pretending like that is something that will help?
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/bl...-lines-unlikely-lower-costs-or-improve-choice

 

It will. You clearly do not get economics and your source is wrong.

 

I already offered a solution to costs... these costs didn't get out of control until obama screwed it up. Btw you still will pay.... taxes will be high. The free market works when you let it and that is the solution... right now it is not.

 

That is just simply not how insurance works.

 

I don't think you understand how insurance across state lines work.