I enjoyed reading most of them except the SF list. Every single description was pretty much he was good but no lebron
As much as I disagree with Yao being at 8, you guys are taking this way to seriously. Calm down, its just a list. Plus Kelly is a respected member of this board.. No need to bash.
he sure lost my respect after he unleashed that profanity-laced tirade about people posting his articles.. oh by the way, worst list in history of all time.. LOL at Z Ilgauskas being that high on that list, and Duncan > Shaq, really?
Yes, I agree with you. I think it needs to take a large amount of time to do research in order to make a relatively objective ordering. This list really like a fan's list...
If I am not mistaken, he makes money off of hits on his articles, not people copying them and posting them on a forum. Is it really that big of a deal where you cant just click the link and go to the original site..? If you think the list is horrible, dont comment on it. For god sakes, he put yao on the end of the list, he didnt disrespect you in anyway.
you are taking the internet to seriously. No one is going to hunt him down and break his dogs leg cause he underrated yao. we are just discussing, as is the point of discussion boards. I'm sure we could argue on his website but then we would be bombarded with kobe/lebron leghumpers.
I don't have a problem with O'Neal above Yao, but how is he a far, far superior defender? As for Z having nearly the same production as Yao, how did you come about this conclusion? Even going by raw stats(which favors Z since the Rockets have always played at a crawling pace), Z hasn't played a single season better than Yao following his rookie year. And how many open 3s has Big Z gotten for his teammates through double/triple teams for that matter?
When was the last time Illgauskas' PER reached into the 20s? I'm taking a page out of Hollinger/Durvasa's book and try to justify a player's "greatness" with how effective they are. In fact, what is his career PER versus that of Yao's? I think it is a fair comparison since both have missed a number of games and both are starting centers for their respective teams. Because, I mean, that's pretty much how David Robinson's abbreviated decade got on the list, right? Amare's inclusion on this list (as well as ahead of Yao) is baffling. You can put him up on this list higher than Yao because he's offensively superior but can just dismiss his offensive and rebounding deficiencies? I thought this list comprised of players that are all-around players? But then again... Ben Wallace at #4? Now I know this list isn't comprised of all-around players. His peak years in Detroit were great and got the recognition (All-Star appearances and DPOY awards) it deserved but if the Lakers didn't implode in the Finals, no one would even remember Ben Wallace. Dwight Howard's production in the past two years has been beastly but to put him at #3 because of two seasons out of 10? "He's been to the Finals while Yao hasn't" argument is stale. He's an offensive liability to the Magic as much as Yao is a defensive liability when the Rockets play against smaller teams. In other words, while his production has been great in the past couple of years, it doesn't warrant a #3 rank. Hell, I would have rather seen you put David Robinson @3.
Golly gee, because I thought you internet masqueraders were a true threat to him. I never said you were the one who needed to calm down. But people getting mad at him because they dont want to click on a link to help pay someone. Really?
Again, no objective ordering is possible, because there will never be agreement on the criteria. And, look, it doesn't take a genius to create these lists in a way that will appease the most fans. I'm sure if that's what Kelly's goal was, that's what he'd do. I think he knows enough about the game, and about popular perception of these players, to manage it. But what's interesting about that? Call Duncan the best PF of the decade, and I've gotten nothing out of it. Great, that's what 90% of the NBA fandom says. But make the case that he's the best center of the decade, and now there's something to think about. There's discussion to come out of that.
kelly has been pretty terrible with these lists. and he's usually a good poster. but he's been awful with ALL of the lists.
I disagree with you. Since the author wanted to make such lists, he should try his best to do research. This list is really terrible. The author even didn't know how many games Yao played last season. And, you say he knows enough about the game...
Or, again, anti-Dream, who did play within the last 10 years. By the way, Duncan is demonstrably not a center. Centers guard other centers. Great centers guard other great centers. The Spurs have repeatedly brought in other big men to guard the opposition's best low post threat while allowing Duncan to guard the weakest of the 4/5s. Ergo, Duncan is not a center. Dream was a center. Dream guarded Shaq the whole game. When's the last time you saw Duncan guarding Shaq for extended periods?
Didn't Cato guard Shaq in the playoffs, when Yao was there? Does that mean Yao was our PF, and Cato was our C for that series?
Kelly, I love you I really do... but there is no way on God's Green Earth, that Ben Wallace or Jermaine O'neal is a better center this decade than Yao. I could argue either way for most all the other people you have above him, but great horns-waggled toad there is no way I can argue for Big Ben or O'neal. Heck I would put them below an end of his career Robinson! Decade is the last ten years right
The Cavs don't need Shaq... by the middle of this season they are going to be sorry they do have Shaq (sorry if this is two posts in a row)
