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Dwight Tweets #FreePalestine, Deletes It & Apologizes

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not surprised. As I've said before most of the people on both sides are held hostage by the most extreme. Further the failure of moderates on both sides to make meaningful progress on both peace but also improving the domestic situation has made it more difficult.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    This is the same sort of thinking as those who say that Jewish Israelis can just move to the US and European countries.

    Neither people are going to leave and the only chance they have is to figure out how to live together.
     
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  3. rocketsjudoka

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    This is a problem with our obsession with celebrity. NBA players have as much right as anyone else to make political statements but I take their opinion about as seriously as I do anyone else's opinion. I put more stock in the opinions of some on the D & D on this issue than I do Howard or Stoudemire.
     
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    small minds end up suffering more... don't blame others for your own misjudgment. I'm offering a logical and practical solution but you obviously value your pride more than life, your children, happiness, etc. Selfish.
     
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    And why is that? TBH, it's the only realistic solution but certain people are too caught up in history and tradition to see it. Adapt with the times.
     
  6. AMS

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    Your solution is as practical as asking the majority of Jews to move back to Germany. :rolleyes:
     
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    Land of Israel has always been preoccupied by jewish majority. They are making the best of their situation after near extinction in Europe. Asking Palestinians to stay in Gaza is like asking modern day Jews to move back to 1940 Germany.
    OPEN YOUR EYES BROTHER

    OR, continue to be ignorant and read about children getting their heads blown to bits from the safety of your Texas home. The suffering will not end. Atleast I am PROACTIVE in my community.
     
  9. houstonhoya

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    Just stop spewing your nonsense and prejudice
     
  10. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    If there were any Romans, Philistines, Ancient Hellenists, Phoenicians, Ottomans or Naboteans around, they might be offended by that ;) It hasn't, and any archeologist could tell you that the region has seen more changes of hands than any piece of dirt on earth. Even the bible explains that -- Jerusalem and Jericho had to be conquered from the civilizations that built them. It's not a valid argument either way about who "deserves" to live there. If it were, we'd all be pledging to the flag of Comancheria.

    Tel Aviv was founded over a hundred years ago, a good two generations before statehood (or WW2) under the authority of the Ottoman Empire. And most of them didn't come from Germany...they came from what is today parts of Russia, Ukraine and Poland.

    And ancestors of most (61% according to the 2005 census) of Israel's Jewish population today didn't come from Europe at all -- many are still living and came from Middle Eastern countries in the fifties, who still maintain a culture much closer to that of their muslim counterparts in those places than they do Europeans, and suffered discrimination for it as well.

    My soon to be ex-wife, for example, has a dad born in Cairo, and a mom born in Baghdad, and only her generation don't speak Arabic as a first language. As a witness, I can say the food is spicier, the Jewish holidays more fun, the Judaism less strict in general, and the singing in the synagogues way more pleasing to the ear ;)

    The holocaust may be a justification the WEST has for Israel's existence as a state, but it is not Israel's own. The truth is, Jewish immigration to Israel (and zionism itself) owes its existence more to the Dreyfus trial and Russian pogroms in the late 19th century and a new wave of Arab anti-semitism in reaction to Israel's statehood.

    Before the Eichmann trial in 1961, Holocaust survivors in Israel were actually treated very poorly. The reason for this was a mentality from the old guard that they "deserved" it for not immigrating from Europe sooner. Sort of a "I told you so" kind of thing, considering that they has spent the labor of three generations to convince European Jews to abandon hostile Europe to settle the Levant. Thankfully, that's changed, but the point is, so has the narrative, and more importantly, Germany is not the Jewish homeland many think it was and the Arabs I have met that have suggested that as a solution were given the same history lesson (though I'm sure they care as little about history as those that advocate transfering Palestinians to Jordan).

    It would be just as unreasonable to ask Jews to leave their homes as it would be to ask Arabs. The only thing being debated is what to do with the descendants of refugees in 1948 that left, by choice or force.

    This is still one of if not THE main sticking point to negotiations for peace, if not the main source of Palestinian grievance, for reasons that if I attempted to explain, would make this post at least triple the length.


    I'd like to think that it wouldn't require actually seeing children's heads blown to bits to understand the nature of this (or any other) armed conflict, but I suspect if you ever get the opportunity, it would force you to rethink the flaws in your position as much as it did mine, especially when those children have names you know.
     
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  11. da1

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    The Jews started this by forcing themselves into Palestine. They could have very easily gone to Uganda but refused. So it's not about having a place for the Jews, it's about doing it in a place where they know is going to cause problems.
     
  12. pirc1

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    Just remember this truth, might is power. Israel is formed because world powers wanted it that way. Palestinians could not do anything because they are weak.

    I am guessing if some Alien power decide to give Texas back to Mexico for some reason and they are much more powerful than the people on earth, Texas would be flying Mexico flags tomorrow.
     
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    human's will >> any power

    Palestinians will win their freedom.
     
  14. pirc1

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    Ok, maybe in 500 years :), Jews had to wait for about 2000 years last time.
     
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    Moral Clarity in Gaza

     
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  17. houstonhoya

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    That's all you got. Clear turnspeak and ad hominem.

    Anything you disagree with is pure propaganda. Anybody that disagrees with you is a liar. Get that weak sauce out of here.
     
  19. houstonhoya

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    Go back and read my earlier posts. I prefer not to repeat myself. Hasbara is hasbara.
     
  20. houstonhoya

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    'There is no blockade'.. What? That's either pure delusion or manipulative deceitfulness. There is a full on siege of Gaza, has been since that silly 'withdrawal' stunt by Ariel Sharon (may he rot in hell).

    That's just state propaganda like I said. Wake the f*** up, what more should I say?
     

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