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Dwight Tweets #FreePalestine, Deletes It & Apologizes

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. Deji McGever

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    It's not like the Israeli army and Palestinian organizations are the only ones that do it. I've been reading for years about how much Iraqis and Afghanis are happy with being liberated by the US Army, Chechens from being liberated by the Russian one, what a great job the SAS is doing to keep peace in Ulster, and so on and so on :)

    It's a lot easier to recognize how ridiculous it sounds when it's not your government trying to sell their war to the world. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't convinced to support the invasion of Iraq, for example or that I didn't used to respond to these things like others are. ;)
     
  2. houstonhoya

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    Haha I certainly did not support my country's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the war is justified, I'll support it.

    Furthermore, this is not a war. Wars have casualties on both sides. This is military aggression by one side pure and simple.

    Israel claims it is doing all this because Hamas supposedly kidnapped and murdered 3 Israelis. Yet the israeli govt has refused to show ANY evidence incriminating Hamas and Hamas has denied the accusation. Despite the lack of proof, Israel had gone ahead with the demolition of homes the bombing of families and the humiliation and destruction of Gaza as a whole.
     
  3. houstonhoya

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    Lets say tomorrow Egypt and Jordan unilaterally decided to bar any israeli from leaving Israel by land air and sea and effectively did so. Meanwhile, Egypt and Jordan choked off all trade with the rest of the world and killed off a few hundred Israelis every couple years with clusterbombs and DIME explosives.

    Would you blame Israel for firing rockets into Egypt and Jordan?
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Israel accepts cease-fire, Hamas rejects it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/15/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    Gaza City (CNN) -- Israel has accepted an Egyptian proposal for a cease-fire. But with Hamas' military wing rejecting the gesture outright, there may be little hope of seeing an end to the near constant exchange of fire that has so far killed more than 190 Palestinians in Gaza.
    The Israeli Security Cabinet met early Tuesday morning and reached a decision to halt aerial strikes beginning at 9 a.m. (2 a.m. ET).
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, even with the development, Israel wasn't letting its guard down.
    "If Hamas rejects the Egyptian proposal and the rocket fire from Gaza does not cease -- and that appears to be the case -- we are prepared to continue and intensify our operation and protect our people," Netanyahu said three hours after the cease-fire began.
     
  5. Deji McGever

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    Hamas isn't too thrilled with the terms, particularly a bit stuck in by the Egyptians that replaces the border crossing authority in Rafah with the PA...I can see why it's a no-go for them. But without a cease-fire soon, Israeli troops massed on the border will inevitably be ordered for a ground invasion, and the casualties on both sides will be higher.
     
  6. Deji McGever

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    A decent Op/Ed from Haaretz explaining how Hamas and Bibi benefit each other:


    Catch-22 in Gaza: How Israel always winds up as Hamas’ best friend

    The incessant bombing raids and the casualties inflicted on civilians have re-cast the Gaza extremists as a pillar of Palestinian resistance against the evil Zionists.
    By Chemi Shalev | 19:56 14.07.14 | 1


    There are three major types of symbioses in nature: mutualism, in which both sides benefit; commensalism, in which one side benefits and the other remains unharmed; and parasitism, in which one side feeds off the other and at its expense. In the turbulent, belligerent but nonetheless symbiotic relations between Israel and Hamas, all three types have been observed.

    It was Israel that allowed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin to unite and to galvanize the separate Muslim Brotherhood branches of the West Bank and Gaza following the Six Day War. It was Israel that viewed Yassin in the 1970’s as a benign spiritual leader and let him establish religious, social and organizational foundations as a counterweight to the secular nationalism of the PLO. It was then-Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, actually, who not only met with leaders of Hamas but also turned a blind eye to its formal founding, a few days after the outbreak of the First Intifada, when Israel thought it could divide and thus rule the feuding Palestinian factions.

    And Israel was just as effective in propping up Hamas when it was actually trying to destroy it. It was Rabin’s 1992 deportation of 415 Hamas operatives to south Lebanon that united the movement’s leadership, brought it international prominence and first exposed it to the Hezbollah brand of jihadist martyrdom that was to become its suicidal hallmark. It was the Mossad’s botched 1997 assassination attempt in Amman that catapulted Khaled Mashal to Palestinian stardom and returned Yassin to Gaza as a hero. And it was Ariel Sharon’ s decision to refrain from coordinating the 2005 Gaza disengagement with the PLO that positioned Hamas to win the 2006 elections – courtesy of George W. Bush - and to take it over by force shortly thereafter.

    And the relations were never simple or only one-sided. Shimon Peres’ January 1996 approval of the assassination of the “engineer” Yahiya Abu Ayyash prompted Hamas to launch a deadly wave of suicide bombings that paved the way for Benjamin Netanyahu’s remarkable victory in the May 1996 elections. Netanyahu, in turn, derailed the Oslo Accords and antagonized Palestinian public opinion, thus strengthening Hamas at a crucial juncture in its relationship with its new arch-rival, the Palestinian Authority.

    The same can be said of Operation Summer Rains, which Israel launched in of 2006 in an effort to find the abducted soldier Gilad Shalit but which actually achieved the opposite effect: it raised the price for his release and fortified Hamas in the process. By the same token, the October 2011 exchange of Shalit in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners was a coup for Hamas and a loss of face for Fatah, but also a boon for Netanyahu: His popularity soared while the protests against his social policies receded to the background in the public’s consciousness.

    Operation Protective Edge appears to be following the exact same pattern. Prior to the kidnapping of the three youths near Hebron, Hamas was at a historic low point, ostracized and isolated in the wake of the upheaval in Egypt and the civil war in Syria. But much as the Oslo Accords salvaged the PLO from the doldrums of its support for Iraq in the 1991 Gulf War, Israel’s massive reaction to the kidnapping and to the trickle of rockets fired by non-Hamas players in Gaza has returned Hamas to the central stage from which it was only recently evicted. The Israeli bombing raids on Gaza and the casualties inflicted on its civilian population have cast Hamas once again as the main pillar of resistance against the evil Zionists and placed them in perfect position to play hard to get in the upcoming efforts led by Secretary of State John Kerry to broker a cease fire.

    Contrary to what Israeli spokesmen have been saying in recent days – possibly in order to convince themselves – both a cease-fire and a limited ground operation won’t see Hamas weakened or humiliated, but rather strengthened and victorious, at least by twisted local standards in which weakness is strength and the death of innocents only makes you stronger. The only way to avoid such a scenario would be if Israel decided to “cut off the head of the snake” by eliminating Hamas’ military and political leadership altogether, as some, including former Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, have suggested. Netanyahu, however, is reluctant to undertake such a costly undertaking, which would exact a steep price in Israeli lives and could place Israel under the immense international pressure that it has hitherto avoided.

    If he were an ambitious man, Netanyahu might consider handing over a Hamas-less Gaza to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, but such a bold and risky move, even if successful, would likely increase pressure on Netanyahu to achieve the two-state solution that seems to have lost whatever support he once gave it. Barring that, the prospects of a Gaza without Hamas are bleak indeed: Either the Israeli army will have to reinstate the occupation, or Gaza will descend into chaos and fall prey to ISIS-type gangs and militias.

    The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry, as Robert Burns once wrote, but in the antagonistic relations between Israel and Hamas, replace “often” with “always”: The law of unintended consequences appears, in this case, to be an axiom. Thus, there’s no blaming obsessive conspiracy theorists who might deduce that such a long series of outcomes could hardly be coincidental and who are convinced that Israel and Hamas are collaborating once again in an intricate Machiavellian plot in which both sides have learned to excel, to their apparent mutual benefit.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Israel is fighting to gain land to build a greater Israel that is also a stable and peaceful homeland.

    Hama is fighting to stay relevant.

    This is why Israel doesn't mind Hamas's excursions and all the issues with the PA as it justifies settlement expansion, but is still happy to have cease fires and and try to keep the relative peace for the time being. The politics are definitely in Israeli's favor.
     
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    This "war" is like a 13 year old fighting a 30 year old MMA fighter. The 13 year old might get a lucky blow, but the MMA fighter is essentially getting to do what he wants. Based on this the onus of responsibility goes on the powerful to stop abusing the 13 year old...cause after a certain point, it becomes brutality/cruelty.
     
  10. AMS

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    Oh and the MMA fighter took the 13 year old's PSP and won't give it back.
     
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    13 year old can go live with his parents in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran etc. But chooses not to do so... So the parents need to step in and take him home. Fair game for the 30 yr old atm.
     
  12. Deji McGever

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    These are terrible analogies and are a disrespect to all the people that have to deal with the situation and have no say in the outome.
     
  13. trustme

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    LOL why should Palestinians not be able to live in Palestine, their homeland?
     
  14. houstonhoya

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    Because they are not Jews. Israel is the state of the Jewish people only. Simple as that.

    So they must be ethnically cleansed, making way for more Zionists from NYC and Kiev.
     
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    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/8EDW88CBo-8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    They have plenty of other places to call home, don't get so caught up on history. Jews only have one place. Time to be the bigger man and end the killing by moving onto the surrounding 22 arab states- it's not a battle palestine can win and they know this. wish they were smarter about it instead of brainwashing the youth into a life of suffering
     
  18. Eric Riley

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    Wow, that wasn't a biased video from a conservative Jewish political commentator (who once said that the first Muslim elected to Congress should not be allowed to take his congressional oath using the Quran since it "undermines American civilization") at all.
     
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    Just disgusting stuff. Keep it to yourself man
     
  20. Deji McGever

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    Transfering Palestinians to Jordan was the grand plan of Meir Kahane who was kicked out of office and his political party outlawed in 1994.

    The idea only has currency amongst extreme settler groups and the two splinter groups that survived Kach are considered terror organizations in Israel, Canada, the EU, and the US.

    If you go to Israel and publicly speak your advocacy for it, you'll make plenty of friends I'm sure, but...you'll be under surveilance by the Shin Bet, and you'd better wear clean underwear when you fly out of the country because you will be strip-searched and harassed by paranoid security people who would regard you as a terrorist.
     

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