excellent job Carl... 1. So in terms of lost draft picks...what are we looking at??? ATL has the lottery protected pick for this year... 2. Are we losing the Toronto, Dallas, or both... 3. Plus it seems Lamb and White are more valuable to ORL than Lamb and Jones...Would trading a Morris as well with Jones and Lamb be a better idea than losing White?
CH -- Well, if it's about Orlando leveraging its cap space to get more picks....we could simply supply them with that pick or a young player instead of mucking around with absorption of bad contracts. I suppose the answer is that Hennigan is asking for a max package of our picks plus cap room to get evenmore picks (and save some actual money in salary spend), and we're saying no, we're not doing all of that, or less than what you want. If that's the conversation, the deal should get done where both sides give some. But, again, I suspect his strategy is to try to keep Howard, and only if Howard says no and hell no, does he trade him. Now that the Brooklyn door is closed to Howard, maybe he can think through his options more clearly, not wait for that miracle, and finally break up with Orlando for good.
I don't get this...who is talking about what deals? There is only cfnet speculation of who we would take back and who ORL would take from us. CH makes that clear in his opening post. For all we know, the only reason we are considering amnestying Scola is to make room for the trade AND making two offer sheets at the same time. And maybe also only in a scenario of actually getting Asik. As for Lee, count on it, we will renounce his cap hold if that is what it takes to land Howard. Neither Lee nor Scola will get in the way. The only thing that would get in the way is ORL asking for too much of our assets combined with taking salary. There is little ability to do accurate math on keeping Lee (and Scola for that matter) because there are way too many variables: 1. we don't know what the actual trade looks like...only a plethora of scenarios 2. we don't know if Asik is actually matched 3. we don't know if ORL would insist on one of our PFs over Lamb; thus, we don't know if keeping Scola is more important than keeping Lamb. So, when you say you tweeted BimaThug to crunch number for you regarding keeping Lee, I think you actually asked him to do a massive linear algebra assessment of our cap situation involving multi-variables of several unknowns. I guess he could make 4 assumptions to simplify like Carl Herrera did, but I sure wouldn't because any one of the assumptions being wrong offsets any conclusion you might have. There are just too many variables and "What Ifs" assumptions that need to be made right now. Later today or tomorrow when things clarify more, BimaThug will probably run some scenarios with less guesses like Carl Herrera is facing at the time of his OP.
yep, like the one where Morey has no intention to amnesty Scola unless Asik goes unmatched...ie, he doesn't indeed to take on that much salary requiring an amnesty, but rather the negotiation is requiring them to take Martin and allows us to keep Lee or ask us to take back less salary....maybe that is why the discussion stalled.
Possibly...but the bottom line is that the Rockets want Howard before considering Bynum... Some more food for thought...There arent real options following this year for Howard in regards to FA...I am sure that the Rockets did their homework in regards to the potential threats via Free Agency for Howard and his services... If the Rockets get Howard, he would be able to get a max level deal with a 5th year from the Rockets. Morey is clearly betting on the fact that Howard will do the same thing Deron did...take the money... Dallas may have a shot next offseason, as their cap room increases..but if they couldnt land their home town kid...i really see it has hard to imagine that Dwight will just try to joining an aging Dirk...
The major difference between Deron and Dwight are their ages. Deron might have signed his last max contract. Dwight is young enough for another one after next year. I think Morey wants to keep a core of his young players and a 3 way deal with the Lakers can help him achieve that. A young foundation player in Bynum who's 24 yo with a select group of young players he wants to go forward with/can keep.
id hate to see scola amnestied. despite his defensive liabilities and dipping rebound numbers, he's been a warrior for us since he joined the team. you can't deny scola is the man. BUT business is business.
I bet he'd rather get amnestied than traded to a crap team, although it might net us a 2nd rounder. Either way he gets his money, but if he's cut, he gets to choose his team and we get nothing in return... so it's really a favor to him compared to the alternative.
I have been thinking this is what Orlando wants. I don't think they want the expiring Martin. I don't see Orlando trying to trade for someone in which a $12 mil expiring contract is helpful. I think they want the cap space. Draft picks, no long term salary commitments. I can see a lot of trades in 2012-2013 season having Orlando picking up a pick for accepting some salary.
Carl, can you do some math for me? If hypothetically Dwight were to sign with Brooklyn for 3 years at the 3.5 exception and then sign a max deal, what would be his total contract over 5 years vs total contract over 5 years if he resigns under Bird Rights next offseason?
Is there a benefit to holding out on sending in the Lin and Asik offer sheets to the league office? Aren't they obligated to sign those players to the agreed contract?
They aren't holding out. They are waiting for everyone in the Camby and Lowry trades to clear their physicals. Until then, those trades haven't actually completed.
