I like Dunleavy best, as well. I'd be hesitant to flat-out say he's better than Jason Williams... but I think he's the best SF in college ,right now. He doesn't have a post game, limiting the minutes he could log at PF, but he does have great cutting moves, and better ball skills than you'd think. He can put the ball on the court, something many players now can't do at his size. I'd rather have Dunleavy than Gooden. Oh, and his defense is underrated. He's got very, very quick hands for a SF and hustles like mad. I agree his lateral quickness could be better.
I don't think they're as similar as many do. Miller is probably a better pure shooter, Dunleavy has better ball skills and is a much better slasher. Dunleavy plays slightly better defense, imo... more quickness. If they were in the same draft, I'd take Dunleavy first.
I would take Miller. A better shooter, has better lateral movement, and is more physically coordinated in general. Van Horn has a similar frame too (as Dunleavy) but is a much superior athlete (faster, more hops, quicker). Dunleavy is good, but overrated. People act like he is Grant Hill. Not only is this completely ludicrous, but Dunleavy isn't even a Shane Battier. Battier was a better shooter (long range, mid range, fadeway, you name it), better defensive player, better rebounder, better post up player and about anything else (how about being a leader) you could come up with in describing what makes a player good. And its not like Shane Battier is that great. In Battier we are talking about a 5th overall pick who will likely have a good NBA career because of his well developed versatility but who isn't superstar material. And I saw way more game, leadership and athleticism in Battier than I see in Dunleavy. Dunleavy will get killed defensively by quicker stronger forwards in the pros. He might make a good player off the bench when you need some shooting from the 3 spot, but will not be a regular player because of his other limitations IMO.
I think Dunleavy slept with Scar's girlfriend or something. Dunleavy is more athletic than Battier. Don't let the skin color fool you. Dunleavy also is just now getting adapted to his body, after having a big 3-4 inch growth spurt since he came to Duke.
How about this. What if the Rockets were to get Dunleavy and actually acquire a smart, fundamentally sound basketball player for a change!!! I mean, can anybody name one, single player on the Rockets who you would consider a smart NBA player? And as for Gooden playing C, PF, or SF. I want no part of that unless Maurice Taylor is traded, which he won't be. The Rockets should either go for a true center, or a true small forward. And to those saying Williams is overrated, can you please explain yourself? I can only dream that the Wizards will try and trade up to draft him.
Wife thank you No I just don't have Dukievision or Vitalivision--oh wait, those are the same thing. I'll be the 1st to point out that Jason Williams is the man in college ball, and Boozer is tough inside (though he is not a defensive stopper and thus not a high lotto option IMO). The rest of the Dukies are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D in terms of pro potential, that's all. Dunleavy is becoming a decent all-around player, but if he playing for the #1 team he would not get 1st team all-America consideration. And, he is not very coordinated, clutzes don;t make good NBA players unless they are like 7'5' 350 pounders like Mark Eaton.
Williams probably is the best college player. However, I don't think he will be a winner in the NBA. I basically see him as a Stephon Marbury clone. He doesn't have PG skills or intangibles. His leadership skills are somewhat lacking, and he forces way too many jumpers for my liking. As for Dunleavy, the guy is clutch. He steps up in the big games. Also, I like Dunleavy because he's very good away from the ball. The Rockets do not need a guy who has to have the ball in his hands for 10-15 seconds, like a Williams or whoever. If we had a coach who emphasized ball movement, Dunleavy would be a perfect fit for us. At the very least he would be an upgrade over Walt and Rice at SF.
I want a defensive monster and interior finisher type (easy bucket maker), not a shooter type. If a small forward, someone in the Marion mold, or maybe the Jamison model. Preferrably we don't get an SF at all but we get a PF/C in the McDyess/ Brand/Ratliff/Mutombo mold. We need somebody that has a huge defensive impact to pair with Griffin in achoring our defense, I don't remotely see that in Dunleavy.
I don't think we see the same games! I think the Rockets need a shooter. They already have Cato and Griffin in the front court. They don't have a good shooter, other than Rice. Dunleavy can but shoot and drive. He's got very good ball skills for a guy his size. Incidentally, Dunleavy is a better shooter than Battier, imo. His senior year, Battier shot better than Dunleavy does now. But I think Dunleavy is ahead of the curve.
If anyone hear thinks Dunleavy is a bad shooter, they might as well say that Vince Carter can't dunk. Battier was arguably the best shooter in the nation last year, so is it really a bad thing that Dunleavy couldn't shoot as well as Battier? I can tell that 90% of the Dunleavy haters are coincendentally haters of Duke. I stand by comments that if Dunleavy were a Rocket right now, he would be their best shooter, as well as their smartest player. I need to pay more attention to his defensive play, but even if he sucks on defense, how is that any different than Walt or Rice? I would love to get a C, but there aren't any worth a damn, and they definitely won't be the best available player when the Rockets pick at #5 or whereever.
Since 90% of people hate Duke, that number tells us nothing. I haven't paid Dunleavy's defense much attention this year. I am confident in saying Gooden is a player. I will say, Id rather have Jason Williams as the three than Dunleavy.
I have thought Battier was a fine (and better) prospect since people on this site started salivating over Terrance Morris (like 3 years ago). I have Jason Williams has been the best player in college BB for 2 years. It is time for yall to take off 12-pack worth of DukieGoggles fogging up your eyes. Battier was a great college player and will make a solid all around pro. JW is a great player and will be a tough, tough pro. Boozer is a great interior college player who will only make an adequate pro however because his interior D isn't up to snuff. But Duhan and Dunleavy, they are your typical overrated players for Duke who will at best be roll players in the NBA. They are in your Thomas Hill, Langdon, Avery, Ferry and Laettner class, players not worth touching in the lotto and players that won't come through relative to where they are picked. That is the strait deal my friends. Haven, our real problem is interior defense (well, really all defense) not outside shooting. Our FG% isn't bad with a healthy team, but even with a healthy team our opponents FG% kills us. It is so obvious, but not trendy. Despite Cato playing better and the arrival of EG, our problem is still there, our defense is among the worst in the league. Until we become in the upper .25 in defense and rebouding we will not contend. We have got to get around to addressing this some time.
The guy is a sub40 3p% shooter as a junior using the freaken college line playing with the easiet team in the land to get a open look. Sure he would be our best shooter if he were on the team right now. Yeah, we are the unbiased ones. I think Micheal Jr. is Kidrocks special friend. J/K
I guess you think a washed up Glen Rice is a better spot-up shooter? The idea that it's much easier to hit a college 3 than an NBA is somewhat flawed. In the sense that it's much easier for the defense to rotate quickly to the shooter who's shooting from 20 ft away as opposed to 24 ft away in the NBA. The ones who struggle in the NBA with 3 pt shots, are obviously the ones who don't have the 24 ft range. You are sadly mistaken if you think Dunleavy doesn't have any range on his jumper. Factor in that Dunleavy is 6 ft 9 with a sweet stroke, and I don't think he'll fare too badly in shooting 3s in the NBA. Moreover, he can put the ball on the floor, which will force defenders to play him honest. Too bad basketball is a game that requires broad thinking.
Terrance Morris's senior year % of 25% didn't seem to bother many people here . Incidentally, Dunleavy is often shooting from 24 feet. The Dukies, at their best, dribble, penetrate, and hammer the opponent with boozer. But that team is very thin. When Boozer's in foul trouble, Dunleavy and Williams are dog tired, but still have to create offense... you see them launch some bombs. ANd they hit more than you'd expect.
A good comparison for Dunleavy could be Peja. The player who benefits most from "playing for" Duke is Dahntay Jones. It's dunk after dunk after dunk for him. Dunleavy is required to actually hit shots, something that some of you guys are vastly taking for granted. There's no doubt in my mind that Dunleavy is #2 on their team. Boozer might be, if Duke wasn't always looking to push the tempo as well as bury teams from outside.
Haven if you're gonna quote statistics, at least get accurate ones... Morris shot 29% from behind the arc his senior season, and above 35% for his first 3 seasons. Griffin shot 31% from the arc, at Seaton Hall and seems to be doing well from behind the arc in the NBA. So stats don't equate the be all and end all of basketball. As for Dunleavy, it's a pointless argument I think because he's 99.9% likely to stay another year at Duke. As for his pro potential, I think he he'll be more than a role player, but not quite a super star in the league. He's a slightly more athletic version of Battier with an even greater knowledge of the game. But I think everyone's going to have to wait another year to try and draft him.
Alas, I erred. Sorry 'bout that. Problem with quoting from memory I asuppose... Ah, but how do you measure his success from behind the 3 point line? With more stats! Griffin was 18... and the best player on his team at Seton Hall. On the Rockets, he's the 3rd or 4th option. Big difference there. Of course he's going to be guarded more tightly at the college level... and of course he's going to improve. Not sure. I don't know if he's getting his degree this summer, like Williams.
Is there really a difference between 25% and 29%? Regardless, Dunleavy probably won't come out until the 2003 draft anyway. I will say that I agree with your evaluation of Dunleavy being a little more athletic version of Battier. Dunleavy will play on a few all-star teams, and will be a borderline hall of fame player before his career is done. I think he will do well his first year, much like Battier, because of his smarts and maturity. Dunleavy is also somewhat a leader. If Duke has a vocal leader, I would think it would be him. He has the most/best intangibles than any player in college right now.
