Beyond comparsion, Hakeem is totally on his own level. He's so fun to watch and a truly great superstar player who carried the team on his own. Duncan, I will not follow him with every games. Obviously, I pick Hakeem over Duncan times & times again.
TD is a great player, but he isn’t spectacular in any area. He’s had only had 1 season over 23 ppg and never had 13 reb/game. Dream put up 25+ ppg 9 times, and had over 13 reb/game 3 times. Blocked shots? Hakeem averaged more blocks per game than Duncans career high. that includes the Toronto days. He has more titles, so I can see the argument. For me, the bottom line is this: If Duncan were on the Rockets in the mid 90's, I'm not sure the Rox win 2 rings.
Huh? I'd take a rookie Hakeem over a rookie Duncun anyway Mr. Spurs Fan. Hakeem won when someone finally made him the center of the offense (Rudy-T). You can see his numbers jump before those two years, they jumped with the coaching change. Also, Hakeem played with scrubs for many many years. Hakeem beat double and tripple teams constantly. He had it all man. Duncun is very good, but he's no way better then Dream. Especially since most of duncun's rings came in the era of the Leastern Conference.
I have no idea what you are talking about...I just put together a post saying why I prefer Dream to Duncan
Was that because he was better? or are his stats a result of him being fed the ball consistently over his career? Hakeem was the offense for the Rockets. If TD had the same amount of shots and touches his stats would , at minimum, be comparable. TD has the luxury of having a very good supporting cast when Hakeem had minimal help. I know this may a bit difficult for you to follow along.
i would have to completely agree with you, hakeem is definitely better and deserves to be higher than duncan. But i think the NBA has grown so much since hakeem that more and more fans never actually saw the dream like you or me. if hakeem played TODAY, they would call him 2X duncan.
Through the first 10 years of their careers: FG attempts per game TD: 16.8 Dream: 18.2 FT Attempts per game: TD: 7.5 Dream: 6.9 So, the shots are roughly equal with Hakeem averaging a few more field goal attempts and Duncan with more free throws. I think the real difference is that Hakeem shot 52% from the field and Duncan shot 50%. Let me know if that is tough for you to understand.
TD: 21.7 Dream: 23.7 so the shots are equal, but Dream scores more because he shoots a higher percentage from the field and from the free throw line. along with blocking more shots and collecting more rebounds.
Are you serious? Hakeem - 23.6 PPG Timmah - 21.8 PPG What about rebounds? Glad you asked! Hakeem - 12.5 RPG Timmah - 11.9 RPG Steals? Hakeem - 1.92 SPG Timmey - 0.8 SPG Blocks you say? Hakeem - 3.6 BPG Timster - 2.5 BPG
Wow he dominated TD.. So statistically Dream was better.. no argument from me.. are we going to go on stats now to decide who is better? What about leading a team to a championship stat? or do you leave that on out?
The Spurs couldn't play with the teams of the 80's and 90's. If you picked any Spurs championship team and played them against either Rockets team, the Rox would have beaten the living **** out of them. Not even close. The Spurs couldn't have contained Dream if their lives depended on it.
I don't think the stats matter too much. But I agree with you, Hakeem was better. (Hakeem's last few years also drag down his per game totals). I think Duncan > Hakeem in the first stages of their career. My memory is hazy, but Duncan seemed to have a more complete and polished game at that point. However, Hakeem is a lot more athletic and as his basketball skills caught up (remember that he started playing at a much later age), he became arguably the best and most complete big man in history. So overall, Hakeem > Duncan. And yes, Duncan's supporting cast >>> Hakeem's supporting.
I don't think we should get too carried away here. We have to give credit where it is due and I think the Spurs most definitely would have been contenders back in the day. While Hakeem did dominate David Robinson, Duncan also proved to be a better player than David Robinson pretty much from his rookie year. So I don't think Hakeem would have dominated Duncan in the same way. Outplayed ? Yes most probably. But destroyed is a little too far.
Your right. they would have choked off all of the other players and let hakeem shoot 40 times.. Your right the rockets would have easily contained parker, ginobili and duncan.. easily.. I mean the Spurs beating more complete and athletic teams throughout thier run would have stood no chance against the lesser talented Rockets..
