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DUKE vs G'Town

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Uprising, Jan 21, 2006.

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  1. hashmander

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    you do realize that the college 3 point line is like 19 feet or something. when he's shooting it from way behind the line in college he's at the nba line. a guy that we all should know from the rockets has more range than him. have you seen how far some of t-mac's effortless 3's come from? he can go out to 30 easily.
     
  2. baller4life315

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    NBADraft.net has Redick projected to go at like #7 or something outrageous. I would certainly question the sanity of any GM that would take him with a lottery pick.
     
  3. Baqui99

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    Agreed, but at least with Redick you know what you're getting, as opposed to some raw 18 year old 7 foot project from Europe or Brazil.
     
  4. baller4life315

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    That's the only luxury whoever takes him will have: knowing exactly what they're getting.

    He's a smart player that's an absolutely phenoninal shooter who will get no better than he is now. The question with that is does his freakish shooting ability outweigh his blatent shortcomings?

    He's a system player working in an offense designed to get him open looks. He's like the unathletic, college version of Reggie Miller.

    He's not athletic
    He's not quick
    He doesn't have a handle
    Can't put the ball on the floor (Never seen him take more than two dribbles)
    Average passer at best
    He can't create his own shot
    He's a bad defender
    Too slow to guard PG's, too weak and undersized to guard SG's
    He's a big game choker

    My personal take:
    If your goal is to find a bench-quality sharpshooter there are plenty of Richie Frahm's and Matt Carroll's of the world. Don't waste a first rounder on this guy, but i'm sure somebody will.

    Maybe if Redick goes on a massive weight lifting program and refines his fundamentals to expand his game he can be a lot like Jon Barry was in his prime. But honestly, he's even light years away from that point.
     
  5. JumpMan

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    Why you guys hating on Reddick? He might not be that athletic and quick but he's athletic and quick enough to succeed, he can put the ball on the floor, he can pass, and he can create his own shot. He's going to have problems defending, that's about it though, I've seen him school dudes bad, even players who are considered good ATHLETIC defenders are abused by him. I wouldn't mind him on the Rockets one bit, he would probably be the starting SG in his first season, second season for sure.
     
  6. baller4life315

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    You have got to be kidding me......

    I challenge you to find one scouting report that backs up what you have just said (and anything by braindead, senile Dukie Vitale doesn't count). I know damn well my eyes haven't been deceiving me over the past few years. I know what he's capable of and what the key to his success is. He's a shooter working in an offense designed to get him open looks. The whole idea is to frustrate defenders trying to chase him around, fighting through screens (and flops), taking a ridiculous variety of jump shots and him getting defenders to bite on his pump fake. That's pretty much all he does. Occasionally they will design plays to get him receiving a pass close to the basket since he can't take more than two dribbles anyways. He gets the benefit of the doubt anytime there is minimal or anticipated contact, he's automatic from the FT line. Based upon the offensive scheme Duke runs, Redick ends up being an extremely efficient player---hence his 27 PPG average.

    ...and don't get me wrong, I think he's one hell of a college player....probably the best in the country. Does this mean his effective college game will translate well to a quicker, stronger, smarter and more demanding pro game? That, right there, is where the problem lies for him.

    He's destined to be a bench player. His only use will be his sharpshooting off of the bench since he is such a liability in just about every other aspect. You don't start a guy like that since having him on the floor for significant minutes will end up being too costly.
     
  7. DeAleck

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    JJ Reddick reminds me of Jeff Hornacek, who was a NBA allstar at one point.
     
  8. JumpMan

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    Well, I don't know where to find any college player's scouting report, at least not from real scouts.

    Maybe they're deceiving you this season?

    If all it takes is the ability to shoot and specific plays ran for you then why didn't Matt Carroll average 27 points a game? The guy is basically unstoppable at the college level, even though he's Duke's only real offensive threat, which is the reason why he's averaging 27 points a game, I don't know how that will translate in the NBA, but I do know that Michael Redd slipped to the second round, because of similar concerns. Too short, he can't dribble, he can't pass, he can't get his own shot off, he's not athletic enough, he's a terrible defender, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying he's going to be Michael Redd, but he has the skill set to be used like a Michael Redd, even if it's just as a third option in the NBA.

    He and Morrison seem perfect for a team like the Rockets, if for some reason the Rockets do miss the playoffs they should strongly consider taking Reddick, he can replace Wesley easily, give him his shots and the few plays they run for him and he will be very productive.

    Because of his defense? Scheme around it, Duke plays excellent defense with him out there 99% of the time, he's going to succeed in the NBA, his offense is just too good, he's a pure SG in the mold of Reggie Miller and Michael Redd.

    Why do you say he won't improve? He's improved every year in college, who's to say he won't in the NBA?
     
  9. hashmander

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    i've seen some strange comparisons in this thread. first it was chapman, then hornacek, now it's redd and reggie (guys 6-6+). wow.
     
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    I don't know man, I've just seen him do a lot of things, I don't know if he can do them in the NBA, but against good athletic defenders I've seen him drive with either hand and finish with either hand, stop and pop, make a move that creates just enough space on someone to release some crazy jump shot, step back fade away jumpers, hit difficult shots with hands in his face, he's embarrassed some dudes. That's along with the things most people, even the haters, admit that he's good at, like shooting, and getting open off of multiple picks, or receiving passes on the move.

    That said, you're probably right in saying that he will be a solid bench player, if he's a sixth man of the year canidate or a starting SG on a playoff team he's reached his potential.

    I agree with you on Morrison, we'll see what he, JJ, Gay, Aldridge, etc. do in March though, we might have different opinions on each.
     
  12. hashmander

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    the only "sort of" nba quality perimeter defenders i've seen him play against is rodney carney and brandon bowman and neither of them are all that, their length is nba-like.
     
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    Duke tried to give it up last night. Did anyone see the no-call on the BC players drive to the basket with about 14 seconds left? Horrible, horrible no-call.
     

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