You say 40% like it's horrible. The player with the exact same matching lifetime FG% at .408 is Jason Kidd, probably the second best PG in the league. When you consider that many of his points come as 3s, without plays setting him up, that's not bad. He also didn't have TMac and Yao getting double teamed, and passing to him to hit the open shot. It was quite upsetting when Alston's percentage was around 28% for a stretch, and after opposing point guards would go off on him, we all wanted someone else. Duhon is a much better team defender and has more hustle and pressure defense. If as you say, the priority is penetration, then you are right, Duhon is not your man, but that wasn't our priority these last 3 years, with TMac. I'm not from CHI watching his games, and I'm worried about his droppoff this year too, curious to know what that is all about. If it's true he's not clutch, that's the first time I've heard that. He has quite the high BB IQ. The East has a lot more quality guards and the West have more quality big men. Just because CHI wants to trade him, when they have Hinrich, Gordon and Thabo, doesn't mean he wouldn't be of value here, especially as a backup. We would have been better off with Duhon here the last 3 years as a starter, though, IMHO, instead of Alston, but that may not be true now under Adelman. I'm quite curious to know what type of guard he'll be looking for.
Thank you for the sanity. Duhon is worse than Rafer and anyone who thinks otherwise didn't watch the Bulls very much this season. If Rafer is moved to backup PG, why in the world would we even consider adding a chump like Duhon to the roster? I couldn't care less how "professional" he is because the guy just isn't talented enough to help our team. Having a high bball IQ has nothing to do with being clutch. Basketball IQ isn't the problem with our squad. It's talent and athleticism and Duhon offers an upgrade in neither.
Duhon is barely an upgrade over Alston and does nothing significantly better. His trademark is his defense and it's not mind-blowing. He's young, but has already had an off year last season. Like others have said, he's a career bench player. I'll take him over Alston. Will I trade a first round pick to start him over Alston? No thanks.
i just dont like Rafer much. He should be nothing more than our backup pg next season. In my opinion, you cant have Hayes and Rafer both starting and I would rather see Hayes in the starting lineup.
Ahh No. We need another 36% 3 point shooting non penetrating point gaurd like we need another professional sunglasses theif to play PF. Maybe we can trade next years number 1 to get another Juwan.
So do I, but that doesn't mean we need to trade for a marginal upgrade at best. If we're going to get a new point guard, get one that is actually a significant upgrade.
I find it best when trading your number one pick not to deal it for someone elses Second/third stringer they don't want anymore. That is a steadfast rule of mine.
I'm no rafer fan, but I think if he cuts down on taking 3's next season (at least i think adelman will see to this), his FG is going to be much better...plus his handles are really good. He's not the best decision maker, but he rarely makes boneheaded plays. If I had to choose between getting a third reliable scorer and a better PG, I'd choose the scorer. I dont think our PG situation will be as bad next season. Thats not saying much. A turd sandwich in rockets uni > Alston
I guess you certainly never would have traded a first-rounder for Chauncey Billups in the year 2000, since he also was a backup no one really wanted at the time.
Good comparison. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking up this come back. A guy who was drafted 3rd overall in 1997 vs. a guy who was drafted 39th in the 2nd round. Let's see. Would you have given up a 1st for any of these other 39's in the 4 seasons preceding DUhon :Slavko Vranes, Rod Grizzard, Michael Wright, Lavar Postell? If any of these number 3's in those same drafts would have faultered in their first few seasons, would you have given up a Number 1 for them: Darius Miles, Pau Gasol, Mike Dunleavy, Carmelo Anthony? Somehow I am thinking I might have taken a chance on a guy picked in the lottery who struggled in in his first few seasons vs. a guy who could have just as easily gone undrafted as getting picked 39th and is a slight improvement, if any, over what we have. No intelligent person is going to give up a number one for Chris Duhon and Comparing him to Chauncey Billups......Happy sailing !!!! You may be the only one out there in that life raft!!
Good job overreacting. You're obviously the one who hurt yourself reading things into my post that I didn't write. I never said Chris Duhon was Chauncey Billups. Never said that. I don't think Duhon will ever be as good as Billups. If I took your post literally, word for word, then that would mean you would not have traded for Chauncey Billups in the year 2000. Simple. You CAN'T argue that, if we're basing the argument on that one post. My statement wasn't an argument for Duhon, it was an argument for not make generalizations like "I'll never trade a first-rounder for a bench player they don't want anymore." Billups was just that, and you wouldn't have taken him (based on what you said in that post), and you would've missed out. Big time. So I think we can agree that every situation is different, and that it's a bad idea to over-generalize. Now, let's list off the guys in the last couple years who were picked around #26: 2006: 24 MEM Kyle Lowry 25 CLE Shannon Brown 26 LAL Jordan Farmar 27 PHO Sergio Rodriguez 28 DAL Maurice Ager 2005: 24 HOU Luther Head 25 SEA Johan Petro 26 DET Jason Maxiell 27 POR Linas Kleiza 28 SAS Ian Mahinmi Now, do you look at any one of those guys and say "gee, that guy's just MILES ahead of Chris Duhon?" Do you? And yes, I know Kevin Martin was a #26. I know Josh Howard was a #29. But the fact is, the 26th pick is a crap shoot. There's no way around that. You may get a contributor, and you may get a nobody. Oh, and Duhon's draft standing has little to do with what I think of his play right now. Had Duhon come out the year before, word was he was going to be a top 10 pick. Maybe even top 5. Remember that? And then he hurt his draft standing the next year. Kinda like Noah did this year. And do you remember that Cuttino Mobley was picked at #40-something? Does that mean you can never trade a first-rounder for him based on his actual production, just because he wasn't a first-rounder? How about Carlos Boozer? Rashard Lewis? Trading a late-first rounder for a guy who's started 140 games in 3 seasons is far away from being "unintelligent." Maybe not the move you'd make, but not outlandish.
I don't care how you explain it, trading a late 1st round pick this year for Chris Duhon would be very unintelligent. He isn't a very good player and has shown little upside potential. My guess is you haven't seen a lot of Bulls games. He had a 20-25 game shooting slump that was one for the ages. Horrific doesn't begin to describe it. The Bulls would break the door down if a team offered a late 1st round draft pick for Duhon. If you can't understand this, you choose not to. Just leave Chauncey Billups out of it.
It makes little sense to trade anything of value for Duhon. There is at least one free agent you can just sign with the bi-annual exception ($2 million or so per year) without giving up any other assets. Jason Hart basically played Chris Duhon's role for the Clips this past year-- solid D, solid distribution, not much in the department of creating his own shots. His 3s were off during his 20+ game stint as a clip, but that's a small sample size. Why spend a 1st round pick? The Rockets should save the pick either to draft or to fry some bigger fish. We can debate the draft scenario for Duhon all we want, but he's been in the league for a few years, it's safe to say that he'll never be able to create his own shot or be anything other than a Charlie Ward-type PG. It's not a matter of him "getting it" like Billups. The physical tools just are not there.
Does anyone see the words "Chris" or "Duhon" in either of the posts below? Thank you, no. That was a completely SEPARATE point I was making. But back to the topic at hand: we'll see in three years how many of the guys from picks 24 through 28 this year have made MORE of a contribution than Duhon has in his first three years in the league.
rafer for duhon then....done deal! rockets get younger...bulls get a backup point with playoff experience
People need to stop suggesting more mediocre role players that offer nothing more than a new face on the team
