actually, you're right. my cousin's ex's parents use to own a gas station. she said, they make their money mostly off cigarettes and junk food.
To transport Gasoline in a tanker, it is going to be classified as Hazardous Materials which is going to require extra permits for the transport of and a driver with a CDL that has the Tanker and Hazardous Materials endorsements. It is more involved than renting a U-Haul truck to move somebody on a weekend. An experienced driver with a CLASS A CDL and the needed endorsements is probably making at least 60K a year. The insurance requirements for being able to transport Hazmat is a minimum of 5 million in coverage. Start reading here: Hamat Overview Possible penalties: Enforcement Insurance: Insurance & Bonds The drivers & companies that handle gasoline make a respectable income. To join in league with you on a shady venture and risk their future income and/or legal penalties is asking quite a bit for them to do. If you notice, most truck- tractors have a DOT number on the side of the door. The company in league with you on this shady deal would be taking a risk that somebody didn't record the DOT number and/or the license number of the truck-tractor while you are buying and loading the thousands of gallons of gasoline. If an observant police officer or an observant member of the fire department was driving past, they might become curious why the tanker truck was getting gasoline instead of dispensing gasoline. For the legal transport of that gasoline, the driver would need to have the proper paperwork which would include a bill of lading (manifest) for the gasoline which would include the shipper's name and the buyer's name among other things. Your suggestion that: If the guy is into business we could work something out for 35 cents a gallon gas is a stretch because he would have to fake the bill of lading to move that gasoline on the highway. Is someone that crazy to attempt that for you? Possibly, but since the truck-tractor might be worth 100K (or more) and the tanker-tailer thousands more, it would indicate that he makes sound business decisions rather than crazy ones that you suggest that he would do. The concept of a Black Market tanker is a puzzle. It would have to have certification that it had been tested for integrity and was legal to use for the transportation of gasoline. It is a much smaller market than places renting U-Haul, Penske or Ryder trucks. Are you sure a Black Market is even available for that type of item? You might have thought about it, but didn't research it. Loading 7 Unloading ... (c) Bonding and grounding cargo tanks before and during transfer of lading. (1) When a cargo tank is loaded through an open filling hole, one end of a bond wire shall be connected to the stationary system piping or integrally connected steel framing, and the other end to the shell of the cargo tank to provide a continuous electrical connection. (If bonding is to the framing, it is essential that piping and framing be electrically interconnected.) This connection must be made before any filling hole is opened, and must remain in place until after the last filling hole has been closed. Additional bond wires are not needed around All-Metal flexible or swivel joints, but are required for nonmetallic flexible connections in the stationary system piping. When a cargo tank is unloaded by a suction-piping system through an open filling hole of the cargo tank, electrical continuity shall be maintained from cargo tank to receiving tank.............. Without a bond wire, your proposal is both illegal and dangerous. The truck and driver would probably cost you over $100 an hour and you never really described what you would do with the gasoline. Where are you going to store the gasoline? As noted earlier, it becomes stale and would need to be consumed rather than stored for a long time. Of course, you could have the faked paperwork thing and immediately sell it, but that is very risky. If somebody had the driver, tanker, truck-tractor and the gall to try that stunt, then why would they need you? For waiting in line and expecting the majority of profit? Reread my earlier post. Question 1 is in regards to governmental regulations, permits and so forth. This is about the business relationships that your chosen company has in the transportation industry. They would be risking their Good Name in the business world when they would join in league with you. If they were soliciting new business or trying to retain their current customer base and word got out that they helped you................it wouldn't leave a favorable impression. I don't know how to explain it beyond that. That is providing that you were able to get the truck-tractor, tanker and the hose extender that you suggested and get it into line while there was still that much gasoline available. No idea how long that it would take to do, but it would likely take longer than calling for a Taxicab. If a business has a CDL driver, truck-tractor and a large tanker trailer, they tend to keep them at work to generate income rather than sitting around waiting for a hotshot pickup of gasoline from a filling station.
^^^Mango, you are thinking way too hard for hypothetical situations that will never arise for 99.9% of people.
I did Keep em coming ask you asked. Unfortunately, your response below was a bit lacking. ............and the List grows longer.
You were proven correct. I used to have high expectations for this BBS. They are rather low at the moment.
Well geez Mango.. Now that you have completely ruined my down to earth and low key rental truck plan which I was *thhiiiiis* close to completing, I will have to shift to a more practical and brute force solution. Check out the features... Able to carry emergency reinforcements and fuel supplies to any area of confrontation - Judging from the size of Autobots, you can add an extra 0 to that 10,000 gallon figure I initially threw out there. I think I just upgraded from a $30,000 sports car to couple of Ferrari 350 Modenas. Using the Micromaster Combiner feature. able to connect with other Micromaster Combiners - This is great. With features such as these do you really think I need to worry about how to get the fuel from the pump to the tanker? Let's be real now. I do think the N.C. pump might not come equipped with a Micromaster Combiner, but I am sure the autobot will have an adapter handy. I know where you will be going next. You will ask, 'Well, I am not quiet sure if using an Autobot Micromaster Combiner feature with a civilian gas pump is legal." to which i will say, " I dont caaaare!" Do you seriously think I am going to care if the pipeline is within legal limits and my brake lights are working when I am in trying to get way with thousands in gallons of fuel?? Speed 6 - Not as high as I would like but considering its an Autobot, I think the deployment time, which you are concerned with, will be more than adequate, don't you think? From all previous accounts, Autobots have usually shown up in less than a minute when needed. Counterattack - Quiet frankly, I am not concerned about the legal issues. Why should I be? With twin guns and heavy assault platform, I doubt even N.C. cops would be dumb enough to take on one of these, especially when I am in the middle of filling it up with thousands of gallons of fuel. Do you have any idea how illegal it is to open fire on a vehicle/Autobot which has its ass parked in a gas station? I cant even fathom the risk involved to other civilians. The real question is, are they dumb enough to follow me once I am done filling up and I am headed back to my base camp. I was even nice enough to offer you a solution on payment. You stated I would have a problem charging a credit card for that amount and I said multiple credit cards are no problem. Judging from your no response to that solution, I am guessing you are ok with it. Well, I just changed my stance. I am not going to pay at all. Yeah, I know it's illegal. Courage 10 - This is huge. Getting away with all that gas in N.C. with shotguns firing up your butt takes a whole lotta courage and this baby's got it! I especially like the part "Leave the enemy spitting dust and bolts."!!!! Mango, at the Gas station, crunching numbers and working the legal stuff, after my rental Autobot is done with it...
