Driver runs over pedestrians, potential shooting in NYC

You said that there were plenty of countries that do without them and are just fine. I pointed out how that's not true, so then you acknowledged that guns are actually important and that we couldn't do without them. The difference is that you think that the people should harness that kind of power, instead you think that the police and the military are the only people who should have that kind of power.

So why not do the same for trucks? Ban them from people and only allow the government to have them. If you have a need for a truck, just call the police.

 

That's factually inaccurate when it comes to Obama politicizing tragedy, not only was he notorious for it, he defended it by saying that we SHOULD politicize tragedy after a shooting in Oregon.

So....your boy did it multiple times, I guess you can call him out for it now if you like.

 

Show proof of that please sir :Obama walked before the cameras to bemoan another community traumatized by a mass killing.

 

Here's an easy example of him justifying politicizing mass shootings and suggesting that those kinds of tragedies SHOULD be politicized. Honestly, how did you not know that he did things like that? I mean, it was something he was well known for.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/255723-obama-mass-shootings-should-be-politicized

 

Ok i see your point on that question was there unlike 45 he did it with reason after the Vegas shooting what was said was not productive by 45 when 44 stated something that been going on about gun control for years even though i don't think that more gun control will help better background checks should be done that's the only control changes that should be made.

 

How many times in the last 5 years have you used one your guns in self defense? If it's an every day or even every week thing, I'd understand this comparison better.

 

I'm not sure how that's relevant really but I've used guns quite a few times in the last 5 years on things like snakes, coyotes, and other nuisances.

That said, if we want to really make this comparison, I was in the Army and I still know more people killed by automobiles than by guns. I'd imagine most people in the US know more people killed by automobiles than guns too. I mean, if we want to be safe, we ban private ownership of automobiles and just allow the government to have them. I mean, how many children will have to grow up without their parents and how many parents will have to lose their children before we do something?

 

It is of course relevant, since you are making an argument about the importance of gun ownership relative to truck ownership.

This is ultimately a matter of balancing danger to public safety vs utility.

Yes, automobile deaths are high. There isn't a large movement towards banning automobiles because the utility gained by automobiles is very high. It far outstrips utility gained by gun ownership, it seems to me. That you can only point to using them occasionally on some bothersome animals over the last 5 years kind of underscores the point.

 

That's if you believe that there isn't utility in the mere fact that there is an armed public. The founders believed that there was, most dictators tend to believe that an armed public was a bad thing for them....to me there's plenty of reason to believe that an armed public has utility that is easy for short sighted people to overlook simply because it's not something you see every day.

Either way, I'm not a fan of taking away from the people so I'm not really going to support banning vehicles any more than I'd support banning firearms. It's just interesting to see the awful arguments of those who are fans of taking from the people put in a different light.

 

I laughed.

 

have not read the whole thread
but
I suspect the fact that
less than 2 days after this Trump was ready to close the borders again
meanwhile
a month after a dude shot over 500 people
Trump has been mighty silent about doing something to prevent that

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