We let stupid white people have citizenship because they're born here. But we don't let hard working, educated patriotic people become citizens because they're not born here?
We let stupid people of any race have citizenship if they're born here and we sometimes deny citizenship to hard working, educated patriotic people who weren't born here regardless of race.
Trying to slip the old Ron Paulonian stuff in as usual. Government spending is not theft. Public universities are moral. We as a democracy have the right to give out tax payer money to folks, "illegal" or not if we think it betters our society. Typical libertarian thinking which would benefit only rich "illegals".
Nice try on the granstanding angle. These folks are real human beings who are needlessly suffering when they could help our country and you whether you realize it or not.
Well they have stronger ties to the country than say foreign college students. Well as a matter of fact the foreign students should be able to stay also. Their countries often bore the cost of raising them to college age and we just schooled them in college so I think it is a good deal to keep them here, too.
What did their parents steal? Seems to me they are the embodiment of the American spirit. Come here and through hard work make a new life against all odds. To me, if you can survive the gauntlet and go to a foreign country - last two decades - long enough to prosper such that your children can go to college and you can pay for it! They are more American that half the douche bags who walk around in Boston Tea Party clothes and know jack about issues. My vote is to give them citizenship. They didn't steal jack from me, they are one of the reasons I love this country so much.
Raven, I have done immigration law. If you think such language makes too many loopholes you are sadly mistaken. Typically such language leads to a policy on waivers of inadmissability that are almost ridiculously hard to get and are granted only for extreme hardship. E.g. the guy is 25; has 4 children born here,one of whom has a condition that can only be treated in a sophiticated hospital. He is a graduate electrical engineer, but at the age of 17 he had a simple mar1juana conviction or whatever. It might be touch and go in front of an immigration judge if the waiver is granted and if you get a tough judge good luck.
Why not make it so the illegal immigrants are like all other immigrants. They can get a job and get a h1b or f1 or whatever the student visa is.
Then people have no incentive to follow the procedure or get a visa BEFORE they come here. There are two types of illegal immigrants. The ones who overstay their visas and the ones who enter the country illegally. I think you need to discourage both. I think illegals should be deported. But I think if a child in brought in by illegal immigration and that child grows up here - there needs to be a pathway for them to stay. If all you ever know is America, how can America not be your home?
Any act that requires a perm resident card or citizenship be handed out to a graduate will further decrease the number of americans in graduate school. Just increase the number of H1B's.
If I'm in a gated community and some some people break inside unlawfully, its up to me and the community to provide for them? Maybe there's enough resources to go around for people, maybe there isnt. But whats the point of demarcation then? Do we have that much issue with a BOUNDARY that its a "limit" and therefore INTOLERANT? The grandest dream vision of inhabiting another planets, just allow any sentient being to bust into the space station that has FINITE resources? (And yes, there have been cases in my family of illegal residence. The people at the front of the line aren't really THAT sympathetic to the line cutters no matter their plight). I know a couple people outside the US right NOW who wouldnt mind some US residence. I'm to tell them there are millions in waiting going throught legal procedure, so it'd be just as easy for you to go through Mexico and sneak on through past the border? Its definitely different for children and young people though, who NEVER had a choice...
Then you should be stripped of any immigration status and deported for failing to report them to the INS or ICE. Hopefully you never transported these illegal scum to a family event or anything. Transporting is a felony of moral turpitude and a conviction could easily result in the stripping of your residency or perhaps even citizenship if it can be established that you failed to disclose this on your USC appplication. You may be dismayed to hear that IMHO our immigration laws are so thoughtlessly lax that since you weren't probably convicted of harboring or transporting such illegal scum that you probably can't be stripped of your citizenship or even residency.
