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'Draw Muhammad' Cartoonist Goes Into Hiding After Assassination Threat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Ashes

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    This was quite hilarious.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    What did you find hilarious about it?
     
  3. Qball

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    Anyone else here think that ATW was one of those annoying kids in school that would stick their finger about 2 inches away from your eye and say "I'm not poking you, it's a free country, I can put my finger their, I'm not poking you"....
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    Again, I would not have misspelled "there" while doing so.

    So this is your only comment on this? What about Molly Norris? What are your thoughts on her situation?
     
  5. Lynus302

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    This is what the whole discussion is all about, isn't it? Extremists are threatening the freedom and liberties of other peoples and nations. The cartoonists engaged in a non-violent protest against Muslim extremists to further prove their extreme, violent tendencies.

    Personally, I can't think of any form of protest that isn't going to piss off someone. Can you? (Edit:) I referenced the Civil Rights movement earlier. That pissed off a ton of people. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened, does it?

    This whole thing could have gone one of two ways: the crazies could NOT take the bait and show that they are able to exercise restraint without resorting to violence or the threat of violence, and possibly win some hearts and minds to their cause, or they could take the bait and prove the protesters right that they're a bunch of violent, religious nut-jobs polluting the world with their distorted view of their religion.

    Which option did they take? They continued their temper tantrum and threatened to kill everyone, of course.

    Way to go, y'all.
     
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  6. Qball

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    When are you going to get in through your thick skull that almost no one takes you seriously? You should start a poll and see how much of a laughing stock you are. You're a troll and nothing else.

    Take for example http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5577355&postcount=21

    I responded genuinely but unfortunately for you, my response didn't fit your profile of terrorist/extremist/islamist/etc so you couldn't troll any longer. You're pathetic.
     
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  7. AroundTheWorld

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    I appreciated the response, it was one of the few I have seen from you that was not aggressive/angry/full of hate.

    This one, however...

    So - any comment on the death threats by islamists against Molly Norris?
     
  8. Oski2005

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    No, it could only have gone the one way it did. The people reacting to this are Extremists, aren't they? So of course their reaction is an extreme one.

    As for the millions upon millions of Muslims that aren't looking to kill this girl, what exactly do you and Sir Jackie want them to do?
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I want them to speak up and say that this girl did nothing wrong. But when I read the posts by most (not all) muslim posters here, they keep saying that she (and the Danish cartoonist) did do something wrong, going as far as saying that they wish that they (he, the Danish guy) should live in fear for the rest of his life (Mathloom in this case).

    And that is the soil the extremists can sow their hate on which ultimately leads to violence.
     
  10. Qball

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    They are wrong and do not represent the views of Muslims. She is free to draw all the cartoons she wants but I'm glad she realized her stupidity and apologized.
     
  11. ChrisBosh

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    LOL, you are freakin nutz, nobody on this board has said death to america, so why do I have a duty to say stfu to someone who hasn't communicated this to me? I think its silly for you to even say this, are we still in the 1960s?

    I'm not saying YOU specifically will become violent. I'm saying that generally people who fear or feel superior to another group are more likely to get violent than those that are more balanced.

    Nobody wants to silence you, just trying point out that you have a problem. Anyway this is a waste of my time, good luck to you in your efforts of informing the people of the dangers of Islam. Definetly a positive and unifying messsage.
     
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    You have no duty to say anything, however, you seem to invest a lot more energy into arguing with someone who calls out those who say death to America and infidels (me) rather than speaking out against those who actually do issue death threats, or say freaky stuff like "I wish that the cartoonist may live in fear for the rest of his life".
     
  13. Qball

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    LOL she did do wrong. Are you seriously expecting Muslims to think what she did was right? It was completely wrong in my eyes. It wasn't ok for her to do what she did BUT it wasn't ok for anyone to threaten her life either.

    That's the issue with you. Your logic makes it seem that when the KKK has a rally to denounce blacks in whatever way, they did nothing wrong. It was completely fine. Nobody should have an issue with them correct?

    You have more hatred for Islam than you have love for Free Speech.
     
  14. Lynus302

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    You could say the same thing about the civil rights movement, which was too important NOT to take a stand against, potentially and ultimately violent consequences be damned.

    I don't recall saying that I wanted or expected any one Muslim to do particularly anything. Franchise Blade posted several articles in another thread about Muslims condemning terror and sticking up for their religion. If anything, I suppose I'd ask them to continue doing what they're doing. Similarly, the cartoonists are/were standing up for their right to speak and express themselves freely in a non-violent manner. I can't imagine many things more important than standing up for your right to speak your mind.
     
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    First of all, I have no hatred for anything (Utah Jazz maybe, and some certain soccer teams/players, and racists/extremists).

    Secondly, your analogy is terrible. You are comparing a KKK hate really against blacks with this?

    [​IMG]

    This was "completely wrong" and she had to apologize for it? Seriously?

    What is so "completely wrong" about it?
     
  16. Qball

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    Do cartoons representing our President as a monkey offend you. Do you think it's not wrong for someone to do that? Do you think http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5577355&postcount=21 is not completely wrong? Do you think that this photo
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    is not wrong?
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    No, I actually thought bushorchimp was really funny. And cartoons of Obama as a monkey, yeah, they are tasteless, but would I expect anyone to apologize, or try to force them to, or issue death threats? No.

    No, I don't care. If Kobe cared, he could try to think about getting the guy kicked out. But nobody would try to force the guy to apologize or issue death threats.
     
  18. Qball

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    ARE YOU NOT READING?

    I already said that death threats were wrong. Stop repeating yourself, it makes you sound dumb.

    And no, I don't think anyone should *force* an apology either. I'm glad she did apologize but I wouldn't force her to. But again, I am glad she realized what she did was wrong (as she stated here
    "I did NOT 'declare' May 20 to be 'Everybody Draw Muhammad Day,'" she said, adding that her idea was satire that was "taken seriously, hijacked and made viral." "I apologize to people of Muslim faith and ask that this 'day' be called off," she said.
    ) and apologized.

    And I can GUARANTEE you that Kobe thinks it's wrong, his family thinks it's wrong, his teammates think it's wrong, and his fans think it's wrong. TO THEM IT IS WRONG. Just like how the cartoons were "wrong" in the eyes of Muslims.

    It may not be wrong to you but it is wrong to others.
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    What exactly do you think is wrong about this picture?

    Why do you compare this harmless picture to a racist KKK rally?

    [​IMG]
     
  20. durvasa

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    Just saying its wrong isn't enough. Why is it wrong?

    Portraying Kobe to be a rapist is offensive, because rape is a horrible crime and rapists are the scum of the earth. So if an innocent man is accused of rape, then that's deeply hurtful to him and his family/friends. That's why it is offensive.

    Now, what's the parallel between that and drawing Mohammed, a man who has been dead for over a thousand years?
     

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