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'Draw Muhammad' Cartoonist Goes Into Hiding After Assassination Threat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    Nah, I am ridiculing you, not "what happened to them."

    I am sure "Molly" and they are all thanking you for giving them freedom and safety, though.

    So, what are you personally doing to take care of this extremist problem? You seem very passionate about it.
     
  2. basso

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    only one set of those "extremists" wants to kill her.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    You are unsuccessfully trying.

    You are rarely funny (it does happen, though), often enough your stuff just seems forced. That's the difference between you and someone like KingCheetah or MoonDogg or B-Bob (when he is on top of his game).

    It's funny though how you apparently got your feelings hurt by a couple of posts in the feedback forum and are now (unsuccessfully) trying to get me back. :cool:

    I am arguing in favor of the freedoms of the civilized world on a basketball message board, and against Islamist terror. Not much at all, and I am under no illusion that it is, but what do you do? Create homo-erotic thread titles to express your protest against Islamist countries oppressing homosexuals?
     
  4. ChrisBosh

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    It is people like you who will eventually get violent, you represent the terrorists of tomorrow. Its all about incentives, at this moment y'all arn't violent because your backs arn't against the wall. Everything is cyclical and things will get to the point where violence against Muslims will be a problem (not taking into consideration of the violence with uniforms that is already happening today).
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Just when one thought the responses could not possibly get more ridiculous, you have to show up.
     
  6. Major

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    Sadly, I don't think crazy death-threat making Imam is here on Clutchfans. If he were, I think watching a conversation between you two would be truly entertaining.

    No - I didn't say it was a mistake. That's up to you to decide. But that doesn't change whether you are responsible for the results of your actions. At the end of the day, you took actions that you knew would put other people (not yourself, interestingly enough) in danger. Now those people are in danger. You are, in part, responsible for that. There's simply no way around that fact, no matter how you try to twist your logic. Maybe it was worth it to you to put her life in danger for your cause - that's up to you. Of course, it's always pretty easy to put other people's lives in danger when you don't have to do so with your own.

    It's funny how you tell Muslims they are responsible for the actions of other crazy Muslims they don't even know simply by not refuting them, but you try to avoid responsibility for even your own actions. It's quite telling about you and your agenda.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't know about Imam, but crazy Islamists, there are a few. Interestingly, you seem to be all too happy to lay all blame on me rather than to argue with those who want cartoonists to live in fear for the rest of their lives because of a cartoon.

    Many words, but it still does not change the fact that you blame people who exercise their right to free speech rather than blaming those who threaten to kill them for it. That is perverted logic, and nothing else.

    Also, the death threat by that crazy Islamist was actually extended toward anyone who joined the Facebook group, but of course you did not read the OP. So yes, if the crazy Islamist finds followers who are willing to take action based on their common hate, everyone who joined the Facebook group received a death threat, so your "not yourself, interestingly enough" is wrong. Just like everything else in most of your posts.

     
  8. Depressio

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    Really? Who?
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Summary of this thread:

    - Cartoonist from Seattle receives death threat from Islamists and has to give up her life and assume new identity, advised by FBI, ATW posts article about it.

    Reactions of select posters:

    - B-Bob: posts something about zero sympathy with "him" despite not having read the OP, later equates Islamic extremists with those who call them out
    - Major: Blames ATW for the death threat (LOL)
    - Mathloom: Says it's not worth discussing and the death threat not significant
    - Pouhe: Says this is about "putting this rich, white, western b**** in her ****ing place" (WTF?)
    - CarlHerrera: Asks what ATW is doing to help "minorities in the Arab/Muslim world" (LOL WTF?)
    - ChrisBosh: Says ATW will get violent and represents the terrorists of tomorrow (WTFWTF?)

    Simply amazing.
     
  10. ChrisBosh

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    Maybe this is a clue to you that you might be going a little overboard with Islam and its threat on Western civilization. Have you ever made a thread about anything in the D&D which didn't have to do with Muslims being a bunch of terrorists. There are so many more problems on this planet, you seem to be stuck on one, that is an extremist perspective in itself. For actual terrorists the problem is America, America, America, for you it is, Islam, Islam, Islam. Y'all need to just hug it out or something.
     
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  12. Depressio

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    OK, but seriously, who on ClutchFans is a "crazy Islamist"?

    If you're uncomfortable posting their handles, let me know via board email or something. I need to know for my own security.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    It's not like I am making these things up. They actually happen. And the truth is, if I were to post all those around the world that are worthy of being posted, I would be doing nothing else all day.

    If you think that a harmless cartoonist in the United States having to give up her life and having to assume a new identity just because she drew a harmless cartoon and then received death threats from Islamists is an issue that one should not be allowed to discuss, then I disagree with you.

    But the hate and ignorance that comes out in the responses I quoted is shocking. Rather than showing any compassion with that lady's situation, and acknowledging that allowing this type of intimidation to go on is a threat to our freedoms, people instead direct their hate toward the messenger who reports what is going on.
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    I'll point out their new posts to you when they make them (although it was obviously a rhetorical question by you). I could search and give you a "best of", but as you have your mind made up, it is not worth the time.

    I'd say that if someone wants a cartoonist to live in fear for the rest of his life because of a cartoon, that is pretty crazy.

    Someone defending the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia and claiming that the country is not backward is crazy as well.

    Etc.
     
  15. Depressio

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    That "best of" would be excellent, thanks!

    I'd say someone making a cartoon disparaging an entire religion is "pretty crazy," too. I'll admit the scope may be different, however (cartoon vs. threat of bodily harm), but they're really both crazy IMO.

    Meh. To me, it's just a different culture and perhaps a slower-to-evolve one. I suppose that could be someone's definition of "backwards", though. Personally, I wouldn't call an entire country "backwards" simply because they lack the women's rights as other countries do.
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    You compile it, thanks! Maybe some of your own posts might make it in there.
     
  17. Lynus302

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    Yes.

    I fail to understand how you or anyone else can't see this for the freedom of speech issue that it is. Antagonizing people may not be cool, but threatening people with f***ing DEATH for saying things they don't like is ridiculous.

    This denial of basic rights happened in the South and it took a war and another hundred years to get sorted out before rational people finally found their heads, so the Civil Rights comparison is valid.

    Plain and simple: the cartoonists were non-violently protesting extremism, and the extremists took the bait. The Northern activists who went to Mississippi to register blacks to vote were doing the same thing, and they were harassed, threatened, and eventually killed for it. That event, along with the assassinations of civil rights leaders, church bombings, etc. brought down the thunder from the rest of the nation, appalled at the actions of the extremists who had a stranglehold on the people.

    Given that the concept of free speech is fundamental to western civilization, and this whole mess centers around "I don't like what you said, so ima kill you," I'd say it is, at a minimum, a threat.
     
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    Free speech is great, I have nothing against it., don't get why you are pointing this at me. If someone says 'Islam is bad', 'Islam is bad', 'Islam is bad', just like those other extremists who say 'death to amrica', I have the right to say stfu to both of them.

    Hey I'm just asking you to be a little level headed about things. This world has countless number of problems. If you get stuck on one thing it becomes an obsession, skewing your aility to be critical. A terrorist will use your own line of thinking, by saying that America is killing Muslims everyday, its the same crap. Things arn't so black and white, there are no good guys and bad guys. Things don't exactly play out like a Disney movie......

    Nobody said you should not be allowed to discuss it, just coming from you it has become old...extremist poster will attract extreme replies. :)
     
  19. AroundTheWorld

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    When did anyone say "Islam is bad"? And when did you say STFU to people saying "death to America"? I haven't seen you condemn them.

    This is funny, coming from someone who tells me I will eventually turn violent and represent terrorism - in response to a thread in which islamists made death threats against a cartoonist (and actually myself for having joined a facebook group that supports her).

    I am far from an extremist poster. I can see how some think it gets a bit old when the same poster posts on the same issue, but I don't tire of speaking the truth. As much as some of you would love to silence me, unless it's Clutch who owns this board, don't expect me to shut up anytime soon.
     
  20. Raven

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    This is the single worst thing I have ever read on this board. What a despicable thing to say, and you should absolutely be banned for posting it. Disgusting.

    :mad:
     
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