Dramatic temperature increase confirmed in the Artic…

It seems we are all the great grandchildren of an era of cars without catylitic converters, nuclear bomb tests and usage as well as at least great great grandchildren of non-regulated smoke stacked factories upon factories of steel mills and coal mines. I see the point here, on both sides. While we should not lower pollution now, an understanding of pre-'60's pollution dating back to the industrial revolution shows that the laws simply were not in place in even the slightest implications as they are now. There is way more to be done to decrease pollution, and effect global warming trends, and at the same time we are supposedly at the tailend of some 6 billion years, of which 5.999 billion years had no weather pattern data recorded. This is why several theories abound and no one idea is correct except that we must lower emissions. Lower emissions can only help, but we may never know how much they really did. As for wishing poison on someone's grandchildren? If you plant the seed you grow the plants.

 

We are? I'd love to be that young still.

Freudian slip?

The current situation is not dissimilar from the tobacco situation in the '70s: powerful industry (industries, in this case) interested in maintaining the status quo while extracting more profits behind a propaganda spewing that there is "inconclusive data" for change and a population unwilling or lacking the discipline to control and temper what it perceives as a "need." And the argument put forth for the perpetuation of the status quo, as seen above, also bear striking similarity to each other (i.e., I've been smoking for 20 years, and I'm still ok). The industry and the government funded by the industry have an interest in turning a blind eye to the mounting evidence. What's yours?

Bravo on taking what I said out of context to teach me a moral lesson. Unfortunately for you and me, I'm afraid the fate of all of them will be intertwined, and that was the point.

 

I respect your tenacity IROC. You just keep running head first into the brick wall of facts, always hoping that someday you'll be able to knock it down, head injuries be damned. That's a great attitude. Do you need an ice pack? Mine melted, can't help you out

 

Yes! That would help the problem. If scientists in this country actually had to take science classes, then they would know much more about...science!

Then maybe my vision of a scientific "method" (I really need to come up with a better word, that sounds dumb and would never catch on) will form and scientists will stop being so stupid.

Bobby is scared and lashing out at what he doesn't understand. Just as he did with me. He does not understand education and learning so he makes fun of my discipline. Hey, bob, a little fairy told me that sharks emit sonar-like signals from fat cells in their skin layer...why don't you go spend a few years in a closet and "study" that.

 

here you go deck:

(Nothing But) Flowers"

Here we stand
Like an Adam and an Eve
Waterfalls
The Garden of Eden
Two fools in love
So beautiful and strong
The birds in the trees
Are smiling upon them
From the age of the dinosaurs
Cars have run on gasoline
Where, where have they gone?
Now, it's nothing but flowers

There was a factory
Now there are mountains and rivers
you got it, you got it

We caught a rattlesnake
Now we got something for dinner
we got it, we got it

There was a shopping mall
Now it's all covered with flowers
you've got it, you've got it

If this is paradise
I wish I had a lawnmower
you've got it, you've got it

Years ago
I was an angry young man
I'd pretend
That I was a billboard
Standing tall
By the side of the road
I fell in love
With a beautiful highway
This used to be real estate
Now it's only fields and trees
Where, where is the town
Now, it's nothing but flowers
The highways and cars
Were sacrificed for agriculture
I thought that we'd start over
But I guess I was wrong

Once there were parking lots
Now it's a peaceful oasis
you got it, you got it

This was a Pizza Hut
Now it's all covered with daisies
you got it, you got it

I miss the honky tonks,
Dairy Queens, and 7-Elevens
you got it, you got it

And as things fell apart
Nobody paid much attention
you got it, you got it

I dream of cherry pies,
Candy bars, and chocolate chip cookies
you got it, you got it

We used to microwave
Now we just eat nuts and berries
you got it, you got it

This was a discount store,
Now it's turned into a cornfield
you got it, you got it

Don't leave me stranded here
I can't get used to this lifestyle

 

The problem with the Aral Sea is because of man, but for a completely different reason than what is melting the ice caps...

For more than 30 years, water has been diverted from the Amu-Darya and the Syr-Darya Rivers feeding the Aral, to irrigate millions of acres of land for cotton and rice production in Central Asia. This has caused a loss of more than 60% of the lake's water. The lake has shrunk from over 65,000 sq km to less than half that size, exposing large areas of the lake bed.

 

Pretty soon it'll be gone, unless there is some sort of miracle. Good posts, guys, good and depressing.

The lake's salt concentration increased from 10% to more than 23%, contributing to the devastation of a once thriving fishery. The local climate has reportedly shifted, with hotter, drier summers and colder, longer winters.

As the water retreated, salty soil remained on the exposed lake bed. Dust storms have blown up to 75,000 tons of this exposed soil annually, dispersing its salt particles and pesticide residues. This air pollution has caused widespread nutritional and respiratory ailments, and crop yields have been diminished by the added salinity, even in some of the same fields irrigated with the diverted water.

http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/earthshots/slow/Aral/Araltext




Keep D&D Civil!!

 

Apparently there IS life on Mars, because they have experienced Global Warming as well...

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2524877,00.html

Mars finally shows it has a wonder all its own

Form discusses red planet

By Katy Human
Denver Post Staff Writer

Mars' distinctive personality is finally emerging. After five successful Mars missions launched in the past seven years, planetary scientists no longer describe the fourth planet from the sun in terms of its better-known relatives - Mars as the moon with an atmosphere, as Earth with craters.

Today, scientists know far more about the salty sea that once washed across Mars' face and the volcanoes that erupted billions of years ago, experts said Tuesday night at a free public Mars forum.

About 400 people attended the Denver event, part of the Geological Society of America's annual meeting, in which speakers outlined current knowledge of Mars and the big questions that remain.

A few billion years ago, Mars sported liquid water and temperatures balmy enough that life could have been possible, the scientists concluded.

"It had habitable environments," said Steven Squyres, a Cornell University planetary scientist. "Now the question becomes, 'Were they actually inhabited?"'

Michael Malin, president of Malin Space Science Systems, talked about gullies that may have been sculpted recently by liquid water; evidence of ancient seas; and the discovery that the planet's south polar cap of dry ice is losing weight.

"Mars is experiencing global warming," Malin said. "And we don't know why."

Philip Christensen, an Arizona State University planetary geologist, showed spectacular images of ancient volcanoes on Mars and discussed evidence that lava has changed composition over time, as it does in volcanoes on Earth.

"We're now doing geology on Mars," Christensen marveled.

Squyres focused on images and data collected from Spirit and Opportunity, two rovers currently exploring the surface of the planet long past their expected expiration dates. The audience murmured as he scrolled through images shot by the rovers perched on steep slopes, at the base of cliffs, drilling holes in rock, and rumbling through ancient craters.

The recent flurry of missions to Mars continues next year when the National Aeronautics and Space Administration expects to launch the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, built by Lockheed Martin engineers in Jefferson County.

The craft will search for evidence of water at all levels of Mars, from the top of its atmosphere to deep underground, said Lockheed's Kevin McNeill.

 

Fool. This has been completely debunked in the science education literature!

I only lash out at the fields of art criticism and art history, and yes, it's because I don't understand. It's because when I go to the museum and see some pretty colors and can tell the cool people are sneering at me and my fanny pack and my tennis shoes. They make me feel bad.

And your little fairy is a dumby! He is probably not getting funded by grants with ideas like sonar shark fat. halfbreed could tell you that in a second.