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Dragic GONE!!! Goran signs 4-year, $30M deal with Phoenix

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rafi, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Margrave

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    Not if that payer is good.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    you say that as if its bad? sure, it would be nice to throw a few post ups in there. And to be fair, he does occasionally, though not as much as you'd like. But that's a function of the players.

    The offense described above, with post-ups, won the Rockets 2 championships, the Spurs 4 champions, and the Heat the latest championship.

    It may sound simple, but you still need a competent intelligent point guard, and there are still nuances to coach and teammates said point guard has to learn and get comfortable with.
     
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    How did the rockets not end up with this?

    How did the rockets not end up with a Goran Dragic and Eric Gordon back court. Imagine if we had that right now? Well three weeks ago it was feasible if genius Morey wasn't low balling players and these players didn't know we would treat them like assets.

    How did Morey not know all this while what it would take to re-sign Dragic? One would think he had that in the bag the way they were treating their best player Kyle Lowry:grin: This franchise has to be the biggest joke in basketball.

    To the tankers who say we couldn't win anything with that backcourt. Well we could tank for the next three years and wind up with talent no better than that back court. Also welcome to the new world of Sacramento Kings cause you think you can turn off the tanking switch whenever you want to. Go ask the Bobcats, Warriors, Kings who would give anything to at least be in the playoff run. They are tired of tanking. They have been the worst teams in recent history minus the clippers who coincidentally aren't good because they tanked but because Chris Paul went there in a trade.

    Well it would be fun watching our team compete with the Kings this season but I doubt we can beat them with our current roster. FYI the warriors are no longer in the rockets class. One thing is for sure we will end up better than the bobcats.:grin:
     
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    Looks like Uncle Daddy must have left his computer-machine-thingy unlocked again.
     
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    I didn't say it was bad. I said what it was. Quit reading things into what I post.

    I will say it is unimaginative unless the coach can coach the guys off the ball to set backscreens, move, and cut multiple times in a possession. So, with that being said, you have to have a couple superstar players, one on the perimeter and one mobile big man that can set the pick, roll, finish, and dish as needed. The more unimaginative an offense is, the more superior and imaginative the players have to be that run it. They basically run the same thing in Boston. But they got a point guard that can create off all that. That's the difference.

    Once again, nothing wrong with PnR and PnP. But it takes a superstar distributor and a great big man to play it effectively. Because all the creativity and imagination of the offense takes place in the point guard's mind coming off the pick. If you don't have a great point, it becomes very easy to defend.

    Adelman is basically running a PnR offense in Minny now with Rubio. Everything starts with the high pick. However, Adelman is coaching the nuances. He's teaching the guys off the ball when to cut and when to fade out to the corner. And he's adding multiple picks for Rubio to work off of. And he's already got a visionary imaginative guy at the point in Rubio that has all the handle, sees the entire floor, and can make any pass on the money with a high degree of deception that keeps the defense on their heels guessing.


    What happened with Gogi last year was he blew up because his skillset, athleticism, ability to finish, and ability to see the floor and make the passes was magnified working in that offense. Gogi created the vast majority of our offense when he was on the floor, even if he didn't get the shot or the assist. He created it. He's a much better creator than he's been given credit for. And last year McHale, for whatever reason I don't know), took away most all of our backscreens and cutters. Still don't understand that one. I thought we were going to keep the offense and add McHale coaching the bigs and the defense up. But alas we didn't. Now, I'm wondering what Chris Finch is doing on the staff. He seems to have no purpose.
     
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    How did we not end up with this backcourt? Likely for the same reason that Phoenix won't end up with that backcourt...because NO will match the offer for Gordon.

    So if we don't give a player option in year 4 of a contract then that's a lowball offer? Who have the Rockets lowballed? How many threads here are about us overpaying for Asik?

    The majority of the teams let their restricted free agents hit the market and have a salary set and then match. That's not lowballing it's called market value. The best offer Lowry got was a deal starting at $6M/year. That's his market value. If anyone would have paid more then he's an idiot for signing Cleveland's offer sheet. Gordon, Hibbert, Lin and Asik were all in the exact same situation as Lowry and Landry when they were free agents. Somehow Landry and Lowry were prevented from getting their true value and yet Gordon and Hibbert get max deals? Why? The market set the value of all of those contracts, not the Rockets.

    Ok...the "nobody wants to play here because we treat our players like assets" claim. Fine, which team won't trade non star players? Lakers? Who trade Odom, Fisher, Brown,Walton, Kapono, let Ariza walk and are currently shopping Artest and possibly Bynum? Will players not go to LA because they are treated like assets? Boston? They traded Perkins and Big Baby and shopped Rondo multiple times. The Celtics have made more trades over the last 3 years than any team in the league. Dallas? Traded Kidd, Nash, Barea,Stevenson, Chandler,Butler and made a huge number of trades over the last few years. So, help me out here, who are these teams that won't trade non-star players? Phoenix? Traded Amare, Nash, Shaq, Dragic, Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson. Are players are not going to want to go to Phoenix now?

    The answer, of course, is that players will go to wherever they can get a good deal, a chance to play and a chance at a title. The importance of each of those factors is different for each player. If nobody wants to play in Houston then Gordon doensn't come to town to visit, we don't get to talk to Bosh,Gasol doesn't sign an offer sheet, Asik doesn't sign an offer sheet and Lin doesn't sign and offer sheet. Phoenix traded Dragic and yet where did he sign? Who's Aaron Brooks negotiating with...you got it, the Rockets, the team that made him feel like an asset.


    The Rockets aren't doing anything different than what most every other team is doing. They are always looking to improve the team and they let the market set the price for restricted free agents. If you want to complain about the overall plan then fine, but don't make claims that have no basis in fact. If you want to disagree with either of these specific stategies then fine but don't pretend that the Rockets are the only team doing these things because that's flat out untrue.
     
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    Not bringing this guy back is the disaster of the offeason, although the offseason's not over yet and there's still hope. A young point guard with this talent and potential is a key piece no matter what direction you want the team to take, and we let him walk.
     
  8. Margrave

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    It is unreal, this seems like Steve Nash leaving Dallas all over again, Dragic is the definition of a HIGH UPSIDE player, the one that Morey allegedly covets yet he let him walk to preserve flexibility in the unlikely event that a superstar wants to come to Houston.

    I though Morey was smart?
     

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