I can see why you want Reddick and I think he is certainly an intriguing prospect. If we were to obtain a second pick, I would not mind giving him a shot, but we cannot afford to use our ONLY pick on him. I fully agree with him on his heart/desire/yada yada etc. but things like that can only get you so far and at that point physical ability seperates you from the rest. Remember a guy by the name of Jeff Shepherd a few years back? He might have been the most cold blooded 3 point shooter I've ever seen, but he didn't get a sniff of the NBA because of his size and lack of athleticism. Miles Simon too. Reddick is better than both of them, but you see my point. For what it's worth, I think Reddick will succeed in this league, and be a major contributor on some team. He has a quick release which is key. The problem is that he can never be a starter on a championship team. He's just too small and one dimensional. Granted, he's damn good at that one dimension, but we have too many needs on this team right now. We have to land a long, tall starter at the 2 - with the way things are headed in the NBA these days. Reddick at the #8 is a waste. In my opinion.
Man, you guys' defense of this guy is hilarious. You want college players of the year in the past? Here, I'll name a few for you : Shane Battier, Jason Williams, Joe Smith, Calbert Cheaney, Christian Laettner, Lionel Simmons, Danny Ferry, etc, etc. College player of the year doesn't mean you'll be any good in the pros or worth your draft position. There have been great players of the year in the past that did exceptionally well, but none of these guys in this draft are showing any signs of being the next Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Ralph Sampson, etc. Not to mention, if you're a Duke player and you win the award, chances are good you'll have a mediocre-to-average pro career.
....................or is it post, post, post, and bash, bash, bash, saying anything that is not true and your side wins. Remember, I am not bashing Brewer. I like that kid. I am simply saying Brewer DOES NOT solve our greatest need. I'm saying the best shooter to come into the league since Ray Allen is probably going to be available to solve our greatest need which is shooting. Redick is a perfect fit here. LOL to the dude comparing him to Jeff Shepherd.
If you read the Redick thread you will see my post about College players of the year, you don't see ANY busts, some mediocre like Cheney but most of them VERY good players. Drafting number 8 and getting a very good player would be huge. College player of the year Last 12 years winners 1995 - Joe Smith, Maryland 1996 - Marcus Camby, UMass 1997 - Tim Duncan, Wake Forest 1998 - Antawn Jamison, North Carolina 1999 - Elton Brand, Duke 2000 - Kenyon Martin, Cincinnati 2001 - Shane Battier, Duke 2002 - Jason Williams, Duke 2003 - T. J. Ford, Texas 2004 - Jameer Nelson, Saint Joseph's 2005 - Andrew Bogut, Utah 2006 - J. J. Redick, Duke I would be happy with all of these at the number 8 pick. Page 31 of the Redick thread DD
Gansey is waaaaay closer to being Sura with a jumpshot than Redick. Gansey has proven than he can rebound the ball with basically his grit, hustle, and rebounding instincts (How many 6'4" guards have ever averaged 5 or more rebounds in each of his college seasons. Not that many who could bring his shooting to the table as well).
Yeah, we've got Yao, McGrady, and a PF on the court. And we are worried about our SG rebounding?????????????????? But you want to run the break and play uptempo basketball?? It's not gonna happen with your shooting guard rebounding the basketball. When a teams needs the SG to rebound, they've got problems rebounding the basketball. Yao-10 McGrady-9 Howard-1 Stro-2 Lil Chuckie-8 Rafer-1 We don't need 6 boards from Redick. We need 3 balls. We increase our rebounding by removing Howard and giving more minutes to Lil Chuckie or some other PF that can actually rebound the ball.
You brought up the Sura comparison. If Gansey's grit and determination at rebounding the ball doesn't compare more with Sura then I don't know what does. BTW, I can't find it now but you broke down Gansey's game and said his release was slow and that he couldn't come off screens and nail jumpers like Redick. That he was much more of a spot-up shooter making open jumpers than anything else. Well I was wondering who you were watching. Redick isn't some evolutionary super-shooter. Redick's release, range, and form isn't markedly better than Gansey's. Incrementally better, if that. Gansey can come off screens and shoot midrange just as well as Redick. His FG% has been consistently better than Redick's throughout their careers. And since your biggest argument for Redick is that we need someone to punish double teams, then I find your detraction of Gansey only being a guy that can make open jumpers to be a little weird. As for why Redick is considered a first rounder and Gansey isn't, there's the whole Duke effect. Time and again their team success brings individual players more attention/reputation, and ends up giving them a bump in the draft. A lot of their 4 year seniors have ridden that wave of attention to score draft selection that were higher than their skills should have allowed. Starting with Ferry and continuing with Laettner, and Langdon, these guys get picked higher than they should and end up disappointing when they can't transfer their college success to the pros. Even Shane Battier who has avoided the dreaded bust tag for the most part, hasn't given much bang for the buck for a #6 pick.
That's laughable. Gansey does not have a quick release and is as slow as molasses. Redick is every bit the player that Sura is save the rebounding, the most overrated statistic for shooting guards. I don't know how much of their games you have seen but there is a reason why Gansey is projected in the 2nd round everywhere and J.J. is projected first round. That's all I'm going to say about that. Let the proof be in the eating.
And that reason is because of the Duke Hype Machine. I'll believe that when I see it. You'll have 20 more posts about Redick before the end of the day.
With all the gaps and problems we have with our team, I find it amazing that there is still a large Redick faction. I watched this team for 70+ games last year, and I watched a lot of Duke games. There is no way in hell, that JJ steps in and improves us right away. If your backcourt is Alston/JJ or even MJ/JJ you are gonna get shelled. Sheldon Williams is the Dookie I would take for quick impact. Again, I think that by drafting Brewer, he becomes our third most valuable player because of his versatality and perimeter D (which should be effective right away.) We can get a 6'4 shooter with the minimum anytime we want.
What i like is basketball players, not specialist. When teams choose not to double and say we will not let these 2 beat us, can reddick,rafer and other on this team do it? Probably not. Thats why i do like the concept of getting players, not specialist. Reddick is a 1 trick pony to me. Brewer may not can shoot like Reddick, but if his shot isnt falling , he can contribute in anoth capacity like rebounding, defense and assist. That what i really like about Dallas with their swing guys and Sa with theirs. I do like the prospect of getting a guy like Stevenson or Childress and signing a guy like James. James would be that 3rd scorer and Stevenson,chlidress or even Brewer can be that other guy. Lets face it, the Rox have to face up with alot of good 2/3 players to get to the top. Howard/Daniels, Manu/Finley/Bowen, Kobe/Odom, Marion/Bell to name a few. We do have the gun in McGrady at 1 spot, but what about Reddick playing against the other? I prefer Brewer because he can become a decent 3pt threat like howard, but Reddick i dont think will ever become good at penetrating and drwing fouls.
I haven't read all your post save this one, but I hope you're not suggesting Gansey is on the same level as JJ..
All I'm saying is that Gansey at #32 >>> Redick at #8. Gansey is way underrated in this draft, and Redick is overrated by those that think we should spend our #8 pick on him.
The way I see it, we need to move into the top 6 to get a legit star player out of this draft; perhaps even into the top 7, if you believe that Sheldon Williams will be an nba stud. That means we must move up one or two spots. Roy solves our 2 guard problem, while drafting Gay and Morrison would would alow us to move t-mac to the 2. Williams and the Italian dude would solve our pf problem immediately, while Thomas and Aldridge could be superstars at the 4, down the road. My hunch is that the Rockets are not looking to draft a pf. We've got a bunch more years left on Howards contract, and many are hesitant to give up on Stro after just one year. I figure, with the resigning of Chuck Hayes, there's a good chance we are standing pat with our 4s. It seems we are much more concerned about our backcourt; and given that there really aren't any point guards worthy of a top 8 pick (perhaps Foye can make the transition ala Arenas), I have a feeling that Houston's heart's desire would be Morrison or Gay (hence moving t-mac to the 2), or Roy (he'll be a star 2guard in this league). (if we have to stay at the 8th pick, I think we'll look at Sheldon Williams, Foy, Brewer, and Carney), but with the exception of Williams, who may not even be there, none of these players are certain to be effective nba players. That's why we must try to move up, and grab Gay, Morrison, or Roy. My Proposal ... Head and the 8th pick to move up to 5. That would almost certainly give us a chance to grab one of those three players.
Redick does not play with the same intensity as sura he cant run an Nba team and he plays about 10 worse D than sura he will at best be sura's equal and thats not good enough for the #8 think of the trouble we would have if tmac is not only having to guard the best perimeter player but redicks man too he will be done by the 5th game we need brewer or carney to take the defensive pressure off Mac and each are better pure scorers than redick as well, they are better slasher,they are better rebounders,they are better assist men,and Brewer is exactly what we need he's long athletic and can put chains on the other teams top scorer and be a josh howard clone last time I checked that last time i checked that was better than sura! Draft Brewer Sign James Trade for Stevenson best bench in the Nba Alston Head Stevenson Jho!!!!!!
Fair point. I dispute that our need for "outside shooting" by itself is greater than our need for a good perimeter defender. I know your point about playing the zone, etc, etc but another year of watching our guards get destroyed will put me in the asylum (and NO, I won't stop posting here ). Our greatest needs are a 3rd scoring option and a perimeter defender. I'm more open to a versatile player as our 3rd option as opposed to a one-dimensional jump shooter. I also would like our 3rd scorer to come from free agency or trade rather than the crapshoot of a draft. The only thing "perfect" about Redick's fit here is he can shoot the 3. Other than that, he's anything but perfect for the several needs of our team. Brewer, on the other hand, has a much higher ceiling and could grow into a very good NBA starter. I know you disagree, but I doubt Redick will be anything more than a specialist off the bench. Question: Are you open to the notion we could get another scorer from trade or free agency instead of the draft? Does this scorer HAVE to be a 3pt shooter or could it be someone who is versatile? My pipe dream is still trading for Maggette. At this point, I would also draft Brewer. Who we could get for the MLE is a huge question mark.
How is rebounding the most overrated stat for SGs? And please don't use the "the SF/PF/C should be doing all of the rebounding" thing that's been floating around here. Having a SG that can rebound along w/ other things is just icing on the cake. Both SGs in the Finals are averaging 6 boards a game, I wonder how many people would call those rebounds "overrated?" There are also reasons why JJ Redick (despite all his accomplishments at Duke) is not projected to go in the Top 10. Why is that?
