I'm saying that any attempt to validate an individual player based on team accomplishment is foolish. Vick was nothing more than a RB pretending to be a QB in Atlanta and at his best on the Eagles he was nothing more than decent. Any talk of "carrying teams" in the playoffs is laughable.
Vick was a good qb. Not great but he was good in his prime. You would love a prime Mike Vick on this Texans team.
That's where we differ, IMO having Vick in his prime is still only having a part time decent QB, I think there is 5 or 6 QB's in this draft that will be better than that.
Potentially Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel (basically the same player), Carr, Jimmy G, Mettenburger, Murray....Vick was a garbage QB for almost his entire career you don't have to be very good at all to be better than him. If I didn't think that a QB prospect would be better than Vick, I wouldn't want to draft them in any round.
Why do y'all entertain this bull****?!?! This kid has averaged since the start of the postseason, 10 a day going back and forth about the dumbest crap and all you all do is add fuel to the fire. Anyone that has that type of time to repeat the same nonsense over and over again has to be one of the loneliest losers on the planet. Your telling me he can't find anyone else to feed his banter to besides this place? Let this r****d spew his garbage with himself and leave it at that. Once we leave the draft without Clown boy he'll ride that gameCOCK right down to Jacksonville or Atlanta. Just let it be peoplem
I am going to laugh when BOB passes on a QB in the first, and then again in the 2nd. Savage at the top of the 3rd. Logan Thomas with one of our 4th rounders and Keenum get cut.
Your ad hominem aside (and whatever possible truth there could be to his having alterior motives), he does bring up a valid point. Vick had what, one healthy season ever? When you are tiny and you like to run a lot, you don't stay healthy. I know going the logical fallacy route is "easier", but it would improve the quality of the discussion if you would stick to logically sound statements.
I might suggest walking away from the computer -- you've lost control of yourself. Gather yourself and come back fresh. Vick was very unreliable. Injuries, prison time -- that's fact.
In his 5 seasons as a starter in ATL, he played 15 games in 4 of them. He only had one significant injury (a broken leg).
That's one way to look at it, another way is to see that in those 5 seasons as a starter he missed at least one game to injury in every season but one....that's not good. Then factor in that since then he's never had a single season where he's stayed healthy and it's pretty clear he's injury prone.
Of course it would be stupid to draft a player primarily on the basis of home state or college affiliation. That's not the case with Manziel, who's likely to be drafted in the top 10. He was a top QB at all levels he's played at, and demonstrates a strong desire to keep improving. He's also one of the most exciting players to watch play the game. Even my longhorn neighbor told me he loved watching JFF play. The hometown boy story just adds a bonus and is part of fans' football experiences that have watched him play since high school. I liken it to Clyde Drexler and the Rocket's '83 draft. The Rockets drafted Rodney McCray with the #3 pick passing on Clyde the Glide. While McCray had a decent career, he was no where close to the Hall of Fame performer Drexler turned out to be. The type of draft mistake leaves a bitter taste in your mouth, since you "just knew" Clyde was going to be great after watching him play at U of H. I saw the first dunk in this video 'live' on TV: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/vc-zZNDdCsU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
