Based on this thread and the presser today, I'm going to predict us trading down and taking Bortles. If there are no takers, however, it's Clowney at #1. I know I'm really going out on a limb here, McClain-style.
I just hope they dont trade down for Bortles... (this a QB that would sit for atleast a year and would need some developing) If you going to Trade down you have to make sure you get Mack/Mathews - someone that will be a difference maker since day 1 .. Remeber you are giving away the chance (on a player most media/experts feel is a once in every 10 yr talent.) to get Bortles Cmon- i hope not
I think that's very likely, and I'm not excited about that at all. I've seen Bortles play multiple times, and I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. He's great at checking down to running backs who are amazing after the catch, though.
ok guys- if the source that gave him all this intel (will probably ever interact with him again) why not just spill who it was and what was said? Is it really a big deal no to just said what was said or by who? Really is somebodys job on the line? Will another GM be reading this forum and discover what the texans will do here.. whats the big deal- im not baching anybody for having some intel, but i dont see why it is so important to keep it a secret
i can respect that- i hope he has a change of heart and shares it himself. I understand where you coming from though... well see- maybe hell get drunk this weekend and share it with everyone lol
This crap happens all the time in the GARM - little bitter ankle biters feeling the need to tear down Doc Rocket or cyberex literally every time they post something. OP, don't take it personally. Consider it a sign that you have now made the big time. You now have groupies.
Maybe there is an offer to trade the #1 pick to a team that wants to take Manziel #1 overall. That would leave some very interesting options.
Is there such a thing as a "draft and trade" in the NFL the way the NBA has sign and trades, where everything happens at once? If so, the team trading away the pick can guarantee that the other team will pick a specific player.
Just a thought: If the Texans were planning a trade with Atlanta with the Texans taking, say, Bortles at 6, it might make more sense to make the picks and trade after - I've been hearing a lot about the Raiders looking to trade down. If someone like Minnesota (who might want Bortles) saw a Hou/Atlanta trade go down before the draft, it might prompt them to trade up with Oak to preemptively snatch Bortles. By waiting till picks are made, you can obfuscate a bit. Min might not try to move ahead of #6 if they think it's possible Atl is picking for Atl.
That was only because the contract situation was much different back then and Eli refused to play for San Diego.
I'm wondering if there is a way to trade the 1st overall pick without: 1. The risk of drafting Manziel and being stuck with him if the other team changes it's mind, or 2. The risk of trading the pick and that team deciding they want to take Clowney, or trade the pick again to someone who wants Clowney.
1. No one is trading for Manziel. 2. The only trade offers will be for Clowney, you either take Clowney at #1 or you decide you want someone else. No other team is going to pass up the best player in the draft.
Perhaps you're right and no team would pass up on Clowney if they had the first pick, which is why I asked if there's a way to do a "draft and trade" where the team trading for the pick was forced to choose their player prior to getting the pick and they had to take him. Why would any team do that? Let's say you're picking at #4. You have no chance of getting Clowney where you are, so the fact that you still wouldn't be getting Clowney in this scenario is a moot point. All that matters is that what you'd potentially be giving up is worth what you're getting. Assuming you LOVE Manziel, you'd want to get ahead of Jacksonville. Now I'm going to use an extreme example to make my point, but don't think I'm actually suggesting this would happen. If the Texans offered you the #1 pick with the stipulation that you HAD to draft Manziel and they wanted your #4 pick and your 7th rounder, wouldn't you do it? If there was a way to this "draft and trade" finding a fair trade would be easy.
Well even in that scenario if a team REALLY loved Manziel, they wouldn't have to trade up to #1, they could trade up to #2 and it would be a lot cheaper. Also, you'd only have to trade up to #2 if you assumed that the Jags would take Manziel, and that's not a safe assumption.
Haven't been following the thread since the first page or so. Question....any way the smirk about Manziel was misinterpreted. It seems to me that if you trade back and pick up an extra first next year and an extra second this year, then it would be a good opportunity to take a risky pick at a position of need. Especially when we've already missed out on the elite guys. I think Manziel would be a perfect pick if we go into a deep second round with two early picks and an extra first next year. We aren't doing anything this year anyways... There's always the option that O'Brien doesn't believe in Manziel and wants Bortles, which I'd support, but I'd have a hard time believing because Manziel has seemingly spent more times with the powers that be of our team.
