I will also change the one I will put up to the draft if everyone keep working the rules. I will give up Aaron McKie and Hakeem Olajuwon. Don't try to convince me it is wrong. I am of the same conviction myself. But why should Ifollow therules if every one else tries to bend them. Shame on you all. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
Heath: you just told Thrilla he cant submit Caffey cuz he is a lesser quality player so wouldnt that mean you have to submit Gary payton since Aaron Mckie is the lesser of the 2? this whole rule thing is getting way outta hand.. i say everyone puts up the 2 guys they wanna fork up and then Cat will evaluate the teams and then they have to live by what Cats rule is ------------------ ***FRANCHISE***
Gary Payton is not a 2 - he is a 1 - I'm just working the rules like a few others. In fact I do not agree with what I'm doing. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
Cat, this sim is getting outta hand not just heath but others no what they are doing is wrong this is very very outta hand ------------------ ***FRANCHISE***
I just hope I can nab Jacque Vaughn with my lottery pick. Man, what a pick up that would be! ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Also Heath, I didn't say that the player has to play with their team the whole season. I said I was unsure as to when a player becomes yours to put in the draft since a time line had never been given. In fact, I agreed that Crisco should be allowed to put White in the draft since White had nearly played the whole season for the nets. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
It seems ludicrous to put a player in the draft when there is clearly a better player starting in front of him. Perhaps that is what Heath is trying to point out . . . ------------------ "I always thought it was something that went around my house" - World B. Free on Defence
Yeah, I know Puedl4. I am in agreement. Part of the reason I spend time on compiling the list was to show the cracks in the rules. I never meant it to show how one person is trying to get over on another or the league. I think things should be fair, and I also thing everyone should put up their best player at the position they submit to the draft. I am willing and I know heath is willing, and you seem willing as well. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Wow, that hurts. I think I might have to quit the league now. ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
Rimmy, I was j/k. In fact, I was using your player simply as an example of the talent level I expect at my pick. Sorry, ------------------ I am an invisible man.
kbm, I was, too. I didn't get to put the smilie on cuz I was called away. ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
Is Greg Foster a questionable addition, like kbm says? He and Potapenko have split the starting duty for me all season (Foster will end up with a few more starts). As for stats, Potapenko is at 10.7 points, 5.2 boards; Foster is at 11.3 points, 6.8 boards. Neither one of them blocks shots or contributes assists. I think their minutes are probably about even. I'll throw it out to the group (and ultimately to Cat) as to whether I should be allowed to submit Foster. To me they are pretty much the same. I didn't make any move to hide Potapenko - frankly he's really not worth it. I was just trying to shake up a mediocre team, and gave a young guy who was producing good numbers off the bench a chance to start. It was a choice between 2 semi-decent centers, and which one is submitted makes little difference to me. ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
The rule is broken. Lets discuss a fix along the lines of http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000485.html and then make sure we have a coherant one for next season. ------------------
Or Aaron McKie? I will tell you why: Because Gary Payton is better than Aaron McKie. Because Tony Kukoc is better than John Starks. Because Donyell Marshall is better than Cedric Ceballos. And all was part of all our teams the whole time. That is why these are 3 examples of trying to get one over on the rules while others are not. I also agree with kbm that The Cat's trade that saw him degrade his starter from John Stockton to Hedayet Turkuglu/Rashard Lewis is also against the precedent set last year that we could not trade down to work against the submittans rules. btw if I am mistaken by the production about the players discussed here I apologize. Show me their numbers and I'll agree. With regards to Aaron McKie - I'm starting him - so chill! ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
As stated here I will not give up Aaron McKie regardless of what is decided in other issues. My previous statement was just to prove a point - put everything to the extreme. I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off. ------------------ The CC.net NBA Sim Board/Homepage
I'll keep Starks eventhough The Cat has told me I could put him up for the draft. The meaning of this common draft is for each team to put up 2 of their top 5 starters, the best players at each position. That's how I've always understood it since day 1. I don't know when it changed, but unfortunately I was unaware of it changing until it was too late. Some GM's have made deals b/c of what they've been told about the common draft. They can't reverse those deals b/c they've been compounded on top of each other with other deals. It's too late to really save the spirit of this draft in my opinion. These rules have been adjusted so many times I have no clue what's legal and what's not. If VOR wants to put in Ceb, then I say go ahead, it doesn't affect me in any way. If Heath wants to put in McKie, then I say go ahead as well, this common draft is extremely flawed. There's only one real way to save this draft, and that is if everyone puts up 2 players that they think honors the spirit of this draft, and that is 2 of your top 5 or 6 guys. Everyone should do what's right and stop the arguing. If VOR thinks it's right to let Ceb go instead of Marshall, then that's how it is. The same thing goes for any other GM in this league. I'm probably going to end up putting Shawn Bradley and Mark Jackson into this draft. That could all change really soon depending on who I draft in the rookie draft. Instead of worrying about everyone else's team and who they put up, let's just do what we think is right and give up who we think are 2 of our top 5 starters. All of this arguing is making this league less fun and I'm really tired of arguing about stupid ass rules. I want to talk smack, not argue about whether or not there is a significant difference in statistics between Donyell Marshall and Cedric Ceballos. Do what's right guys... ------------------ All right ramblers, let's get ramblin'...
This whole common draft is full of BS because of all the people who are giving up like their 7th or 8th best guys. Most of you are figuring out ways to cheat the system. I would think a better way to run it would be for each team to protect 3 players, and then for the cat to take the next 2 best for the draft. He seems to be an honest guy so I'd trust him a lot more than I would 20 something other guys. The way it is now I would think the best thing you could do is to have your top 5 guys be something like PG, PG, SF, PF, PF and not start 2 of them for the regular season, but start them in the playoffs. ------------------
Well, I'm sitting here in my room, still nursing that wrist injury, pissed off that I wont make it to the All-Star game again, and I'm thinking... The Cat should be like Steinbrenner. Just a GM/Owner. Perhaps the most powerfull one, but just an owner. Decisions should be made by a voting by the Owners. In this matter, it seems as though the vast majority of owners feel like VOR should not be allowed to submit Ceballos. So thats the end of the matter. The owners voted it so. Next matter of business. ------------------ The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?
