[Draft Express] Houston making "major push" to acquire #4 pick

The more I read this the more I think it is a real possibility.

First forget about Detroit. If Minnesota is serious about doing this than we are the only real people to deal with. We have so much more to offer. Minnesota needs the most help at the wings. Wesley Johnson is a bit of a reach at 4. Martin is better than Johnson. So if the Rockets trade Martin the 14th pick and one of our Knicks first round picks for Minnesota' 4th overall and there 23rd overall pick and some salary dump player like Corey brewer or Ryan Gomes I think both parties would be happy. We don't have to worry about salaries matching because the wolves are so far under the cap next season they could easily add Martin.

Minnesota gets a wing a big/wing at 14 George, Babbitt, hayward, and a big like Orton WHiteside, at 16 plus martin gives them a real scoring threat at the Shooting guard. They would be ecstatic.

Houston (we) get Cousins a stud that reminds me of Moses Malone with a shooting touch and with 23rd pick Elliot Williams to eventually fill in for Martin.

I hate losing martin but if Cousins potential is realized he gives us the best front court in the League. Yao, Cousins, Scola, Hill and probably Gomes(Hayes is odd man out). At SF we have Jeffries, Battier and Arriza, (I would say Arriza could play the 2 but that didn't really work out so well). Of course our PG's are fine. Which means we have every position locked down except shooting guard and with Budinger, Taylor and E williams (now it makes so much sense why the Rockets took a second look at E Williams) we should do okay there.

Of course the price is martin but the question is are we better or will we be better in the not so distant future. And I thinnk so. Everyone as k can we ever match up with the lakers Bigs but if this deal happens and Cousins pans out the league will be asking how can we match up with Houstons bigs.

Something else to note is we still have a lot of assets that could easily allow us to acquire a shooting guard in the free agent. Who would be available at the right price.

Just one more thought: Could this already be a done deal... Why would Morey show his cards by saying theres a 50/50 chance we won't pick at 14. It serves no purpose. It doesn't benefit us to say that. it probably doesn't hurt either but it is pointless unless you already no you are not going to pick at 14 and you are forewarning the fans don't look 4 guys at 14 we already made another deal. Of course it all could be a smokescreen but it doesn't make sense as one. Okay just a thought but maybe this is already a done deal.

 

I don't think they can pass up to add some athleticism to that front-line with Derrick Favors...

--RB

 

It is too easy to be a star, these days

People don´t know how to read, I mentioned Nate Robinson playing D, I didn´t say that Nate was crucial for the Cs, you asked me where was Nate playing D and I answered you, and I guess you didn´t like it, and start talking about his overall game, and saying why did he play the mins he played, ect, ect. when the discussion was about D, oh well...

yes, the difference between Nate and AB is marginal, that fact, you mentioned about AB contributing for good teams, it is easy, sports is all about opportunity, as AB already said, he was lucky he had the opportunity, you can´t say that Nate did not contribute for great teams, when he was not given the chance too

Players can´t do things they are not asked to do/they can but they should´t), Nate Robinson, Baby Davis, and Sheed, were all crucial, for the C´s run, non of them are stars, non of them did 10 great games in the playoffs, but they all did what coach said, and that is all I want from AB, I will never ask AB to get 30 10 a night, and make his guy score less x points, because he will never be able to, but he will be a very very solid guy, and as important as Nate or baby or sheed, or odom, or perkins are for there teams.

I don´t compare b-ball skill, I compare roles, I compare heart, ect, ect, If you say that AB has the skill to be a star, that is your opinion, my opinion is that he will never be a star, but then again, for me 99% of the player in this league aren´t stars and there is no problem with that.

And I will no longer respond to this Star mention, because all I wanted was to make my point about a post, I didn´t hate, I am rational, I have my opinions, I don´t hate nobody, I just think it is not right to say things like AB is going to be a star, as will c bud and hill, because if you hear all the fan base sites talking about the young guns they have they all say that they are the best, times passes, and in the end only guys that have the skill, mentality, and the will, and are given the opportunity, succeed expectations

And I think that Cousins can be that guy, because the only thing he lacks, is what Houston can give him, professional staff, with experienced and smart players, that will give cousins emotional stability to succeed, without destroying the roster

PeAcE

 

I know. Stranger things have happened before.

 

AB > NR and it is not even close.

DD

 

what if they catch wind that Morey is high on Cousins and try to cockblock. Im sure they respect his analysis and that could potentially sway them towards taking cousins over Favors if they are equally impressed with both. Just my conspiracy theory, but there seem to be a lot of GMs that like to hop on Moreys Jock wagon and go after someone that he shows interest in.

This has always bothered me. You see this a lot with the Portland GM. Lets face it, Morey's statistical analysis is pretty much unparalled in the league, and that has to be worth something.

At the same time, Morey could use this to his advantage and create smoke screens, but this is a genuine concern of mine.

 

I wouldn't sweat it. As you said Favors is a great second option. WHo will have the better career. Cousins may be better over all now but favors is younger and could be the next karl Malone. Either pick is great for Houston. The worst case scenario would be we get Evan Turner but intel everywhere says the sixers are locked in on him.

 

Read Money Ball.

Getting a man on base is a nice thing, but the most desireable aspect of a walk (taking pitches actually) is that it wears out the starter and gets you into their bullpen earlier. If you make the bull pen throw a lot of pitches in a game they will not be available for the next game. It is strange, but the pitch count in one game can help you win a different game.

I don't think drawing fouls is strictly about getting to the line. Make the other team sit their starters, get them out of their normal substitution pattern and break up their desired player combinations.

Shaq didn't make his own free throws, but he sure (used to) helped Kobe get to the line.

 

I'm just saying that a guy who can gain 10 lbs so quickly, what happens on those road trips when he's not playing alot? I mean jefferson said a few years back he was up to 280+ when he got hurt and in his earlier years but had to lern proper diet. I just really worry about a guy like that with money in his pockets and free time.

 

MIN: 4th pick, Rubio, Pekovic and need for wings (via trade or can trade down draft position)

ROCKETS: 14th, Martin, Ariza & Chase (wings locked up multiple-years at decent contracts), 3 1st round picks in next 2 years and need for big men (Pekovic and/or want to trade up draft position)


Possibilities galore. Can't wait for draft day to arrive!

 

The Rockets know Yao is done and at best has 2 good or above average seasons left in him so this move screams we need a replacement ASAP.

 

why the hell would u do that..k-mart is 1 of are most talented guy.& u tryna trade him for a piece of ****..

 

I have to ask a question, last week on the ESPN Insider Rumor page, it said that the Timberwolves wanted to keep their draft pick no matter what. So my question is, what changed so quickly. I would think the Kings are easier to deal with since they just got Dalembert.

 

we are not getting cousins or favors.

Minnesota fans just laugh at our offers. Laughed out of the building.

Hill is considered a power forward that will always be a bench player at best.Budinger is considered a 10th man scrub,Knick picks are considered worthless because no one wants to wait 2 years to see where the range will be,14th pick is considered useless because its a 5 man draft then a huge tailoff.

So,any offer we make starts and ends with either Martin,Brooks or both. We did not make the playoffs and had zero national tv games, the rest of the league is going to undervalue our players. Now is the WORSE time to be trading.

The best time to trade is after making playoffs atleast or deadline.

Im sure Morey knows this, because taking fan feedback Ive learned this. Im sure Morey called up Kahn, offered up his entire Bosh package for #4 and Kahn laughed and hung up.

This will be a "trade down" trade. Something like Miamis both picks . Look for players like varnado,brackins,jerome jordan, to be the "backup" not a overvalued overweight player like Cousins that we would literally have to gut the team for like he is the next Shaq. He isnt. But Kahn seems to think he is. Forget Rubio also. Word is Kahn wont even trade Al Jefferson for Granger, imagine what it will take to get Rubio. Probably Lebron or Wade. Kahn is the WRONG person to be dealing with. He overrates his picks and players 10x over.Morey will be overpaying if he deals with Kahn.

If Timberwolves players are so great why did they have a ****ty record? Thats the question Morey should ask Kahn.

In fact, every GM overvalues his players. If a GM is dumb, he gets canned quickly. Best thing to do is strike gold at 14 and hope for the best.

What players will bring a championship to Rockets,yet are "unhappy" right now and want to come to Houston and have a GM dumb enough to hand over such a stud to us for our bench player package of Hill and Budinger?

I cant think of any.Not Bosh. Not Rubio. Bosh is now talking like he wants to stay in Toronto and be the face of Canada.

 

laughable.

Minny doesnt want Martin. They are on their high horse and think Flynn is better than Martin. Im telling you, Minny fans are the most high horse fans I have ever seen . Worse than Laker fans.

 

My question is, why Minn?
It could be that 1) Morey's targeted player won't last past Sac at 5. Word is that if Minn keep their draft position then they like Wesley. So it would only make sense to move upto the 4th if the player u are targeting will be selected 5th OR a team like detroit blocks u ala Portland with Roy.

I am not so certain that this trade rumor has much legs because morey always looks at all options to assess what the best deals would be. If such a deal goes through, rox are certain that the player they gte will be a cornerstone of our franchise. Otherwise, this trade would be way to risky since we can use those same assets to acquire a proven commodity in a st.

 

This is face palm worthy...

 

I agree with you. Yao's window was always going to be shorter because he's so big. There's so much weight on those bones, it was inevitable that he'd eventually have reoccurring injuries. I'm not saying he can't come back and be an outstanding player for a few more years, but I am saying that we can't depend on him anymore, given the chance of injury. So I'm all for Morey doing what he has to do to get a franchise player out of this draft. A guy like Cousins is not only someone you can build around for the long term (he's only a freshmen), but he's also a guy that can come in and make an impact right away. He makes our front court better. I like the combination of Yao, Cousins, Scola, and Hayes.

 

i dont mind cousins being alittle bigger than average he could be unstopable because of his size sort of like a young shaq, i hope we get him!

 

Dude, 1) fans are not GMs, ie they don't do the drafting/trading; and 2) not saying trade the whole group as a package, just saying endless possibilities (eg even just 14th + filler for Pekovic which a couple of weeks ago got many on the board excited).