[Draft Express] Houston making "major push" to acquire #4 pick

So many dumb replies to this tweet . . .

@ "not as many people are as geeked over Bud as we are" - since when do fans make decisions about basketball? it's the GM and owner and coach's call. There's a thing called scouting, teams know Bud has game on the offensive end.

@ "maybe minny will take Ariza" - Ariza is horrible value right now, at 4 or 5 more years at roughly 6.4 mill a year, he's not gonna give you what you want / need unless you're trying to contend for a decent value.

@ "ZOMG NOW WE CAN LYKE GET RICKY RUBIO GUYZ" - he's not coming over for at least 1 more year, is over-hyped, and probably wouldn't be completely enamored with playing here.

@ "maybe minny will take KM12" - uhh, Kahn has already said he doesn't want him. end of story.

@ "maybe now we can get al jeff" - the man doesn't provide what we really need, and that's frontcourt length to increase our presence at the rim.

@ "maybe we can trade battier and ariza and hill for al jeff + #4" - are you nuts? so we should trade our only good wing defenders for a rookie (who might not be a good nba defender) and someone who already isn't a very good defender at the rim?

Think things through, people.

 

Would you give up Bud in that case, wouldn't you?

 

Sure is cute to see a few fans are still smoking that chris bosh pipe dream...

Some of you are also smoking another sort of pipe thinking Kevin Martin is going anywhere any time soon and especially for Rubio. We just got Martin after trying to deal for him for a while, and who might some of you suggest would replace the only true 2 on our roster?

Trading up to the number 4 spot seems hard, I dont think Minny does it for just c-bud and the 14, and i dont think we do if we have to include much more, unless it is some sort of blockbuster deal.

 

Agree, its very difficult in moving up and especially into the top 6.

 

Uhh.. and they also know he lacks game on the defensive end. You play on both sides of the court, not just one. Hell, even Charlie P, who I'd hope you would consider more knowledgable than your casual fan, suggested it would take #14 + Hill + Budinger + NY's pick to just move up to #4.

But I suppose we haven't thought things through and Budinger is really worth a top 10 pick by himself? Let's take it down a notch and remove our homer glasses before coming across pretentious.

 

Rubiooooooooo!

 

I wasn't suggesting that anything anybody has said is a tenable trade package. I was responding to someone saying people aren't as geeked over Budinger as we are. I was DEFINITELY not suggesting he is worth a top 10 pick.

For the record, I think Budinger is more than expendable. Read what people write before you respond.

 

Perhaps it would help if you actually quoted something instead of throwing out vague generalizations.

In case you haven't been reading the board lately, it seems to be split amongst those who wouldn't trade Budinger for Cousins, and those who would trade him + for a shot at DeMarcus. There are a fair number of people on this board (lead or deluded by DD) who wouldn't trade Budinger + 14 for a top 7 pick. Meanwhile, the Houston sports radio personality believes we'd need to include Budinger/Hill/#14/Future 1st to be able to move up.

I think the statement that teams aren't as geeked about Budinger as some fans on this board are is CERTAINLY applicable.

 

You never know. Portland got Roy (#6) for Sebastian Telfair. Last year, the Twolves themselves got Rubio (#5) for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. Morey has gathered some assets over the years, it's not like when he first came on when we had nothing but washed up vets.

 

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/

Interesting in this mock draft from 21th June
Monroe is taken before Cousins

I'd be happy with Monroe or Cousins either way

 

Hope your right, would love to see them move up and get a potential franchise type player. But its always difficult especially when the talent is great.

 

Budinger/Hill/#14/Future 1st for a #4?

Hill is an #8 by himself, there is no guarantees that this years #6 is more of a sure thing than last years #8. There has to be some discount for bust potential. We at least have had Hill in practice and have some real world experience with him. Half the people on here are calling Cousins a bust.

NY's 2012 could be a #6.

Bud's draft number was an anomaly. He should have been around a #20 and he has proved that.

Yao will come back or he won't, he will play well or he won't. We have assets to play around him now, just no long back-ups. There will be championships to contend for after 2011 and after Yao. I wouldn't throw all the eggs in one basket.

 

giving up Budinger and Hill plus the 14th and Knicks' pick is TOO much.

I would want to see Hill be the PF next the the center we draft. So I rather see them just give up Budinger, the 14th pick and the Knicks' pick but not to much more.

And for those on here talking about Martin being in some draft day trade please. Unless we get the 1st or 2nd pick he ain't worth it. Esp for an overrated Rubio.

 

I would do it in a second...

 

one thing is for sure; the rockets have more desirable assets than the pistons.

but how much are they willing to give up?

 

okay, if rubio is a great passer as he is said to be, then we need to go after amare not bosh because then with a great passing pg amare could come to houston and still have a great passing pg to replace nash. we should trade brooks/#14 to minnesota for #4/rubio. then make a trade for stoudemare. thus this:
P.G.-Ricky Rubio/Kyle Lowry
S.G.-Kevin Martin/?
S.F.-Battier or ariza/?
P.F.-Amare Stoudemare/Louis Scola
C-Yao Ming/Demarcus Cousins(#4)

Use mle and cap space to fill in ?

 

I agree that it does seem like a fairly high price. But you can't say "Cousins might not pan out!" and "NY's pick could be #6" in the same argument -- NY's pick could very well be 29th if they sign some top tier FAs.

As far as where Hill or Budinger were drafted, both are irrelevant. This draft class is one of the deepest we've had in the past several years -- I don't believe Jordan Hill would still be considered a top 10 pick if he came out this year. I also don't think teams would say, "Well he went #8 last year, so I'll trade my #10 for him this year" -- draft positions only matter for one night. I love Hill, but I don't think his ceiling is anywhere near that of a DeMarcus Cousins'.

I actually see this as a good reason to go for Cousins. There will be championships to contend for after Yao, and we'd be getting a pretty good head start if we could land a superstar in this draft. I don't look at this trade as something that makes us an instant contender -- I see it more as giving us insurance for the future by landing a stud in this year's class.

 

--RB

 

DD faints....



lol.