No doubt, winning is crucial, but even when the Oilers were winning they were still 2nd fiddle to the Cowboys. Let me ask you this: Which would get the team more money? Winning with Reggie Bush, or winning with Vince Young? I contend that the latter makes your team a LOT more valuable and thus increases revenues....and ultimately THAT is what drives the business decision makers. DD
Then you know we have 1 WR that is good, and that Bradford and Gaffney are mediocre at best. You know we don't have a TE that is a factor in the passing game. You know that we have one of the worst pass blokcing O-lines in the history of the game, and you know the Carr has been completely handcuffed by the former coaching staff and by the lack of talent around him. I am just curious how you have come to your conclusions about him. I am not trying to be argumentative, I am just curious. I think no matter how gifted the QB is, he has to have help to succeed. Young and Montana had a laundry list of players around them that were excellent. As does Manning, Palmer, etc..
I don't want a coach who bases his decision on public opinion. When coaches are interviewed, they discuss their philosophy, strategy, as well as the players needed to fulfill the model. McNair will base his decision on what he feels will allow the team to start winning as soon as possible. If Kubiak is our man, then let Kubiak pick whoever he feels will make us successful. Trust your coach and team and support them no matter who he selects, whether it's Bush or Young. Give it a chance, because that's what you're going to get for at least 3 seasons. The most talented players can fail in the wrong system and the right system will fail without the right talent.
I agree with you in principle, but nothing sells more than winning football games. The Texans already sell out every game.
i think VY has the potential to be both...in a very special way. a very unique way. it's swinging for the fences, i'll grant you.
They are teetering on not selling out though, and one more losing season will spell real trouble for them. Houston sports fans are fickle, and the honeymoon is over...... DD
Drummer, I think drafting VY is the right decision both football wise and marketing wise....thus the reason I am 100% behind him. Getting a QB with freakish athletic ability and with a winning attitude is a lot harder than getting the same in a RB. How many RB led teams won the big one? OJ, Barry Sanders etc...etc..etc... The QB is the leader of the team....even Bill Walsh agrees with drafting VY..... DD
Once the guaranteed sellouts are over (how many years left?) and if the team isn't winning, it will almost be like the Astrodome (almost cause I doubt crowds will be that pathetic again). And if the game is soldout, it doesn't mean people are actually attending.
who doesn't agree with that statement?? there's no question you're right. but you're assuming reggie means wins and VY doesn't. i don't get it. i don't think you can guarantee wins either way.
To be fair, you're leaving off RBs. I think you could say Terrell Davis led his team more than Elway at that point. Possibly Emmitt too. IF Bush turns into a hall of famer...we may look at Carr/Bush/AJ like Aikman/Emmitt/Irvin. I don't think Carr is necessarily as good as Aikman was.. but don't underestimate what he can do with those weapons. We keep saying "let's see Carr with an o-line". How about if he has an o-line to protect him...and then adds a super-explosive RB to the mix? Now suddenly that's 2 things opening it up for him, as opposed to 0 currently. But really I'm just saying you're naming the RB's that didn't win one, while there are many who did. The ones who didn't were the ones without more talent around them, more often (i.e. Sanders); while the ones who did were the ones with at least something around them.
Marino, Fouts, Tarkenton, Moon, maybe Elway if not for TD, Manning (so far), etc... etc... etc... I think the ideal situation is for the QB to be the leader, but I don't think the QB was the leader for the Ravens team that won, the Redkins (they used three different QBs that had not had stellar careers), ect...
I not assuming either one guarantees wins. I felt like DD was saying VY would guarantee sellouts. He may extend the honeymoon for a little while though. I must admit I feel like either Bush/Carr or trading down (if we get enough in return) would be the fastest path to a winning team though, just my 2 cents. And that is not a slap at VY, I just think he will need a little time, plust the team will still have a ton of holes. I do know RB is not a need, but more playmakers on offense is a need and whether he runs inside, outside, or is out at WR Bush is a playmaker.
