for the record, hoang, my sister went to A&M. no they weren't in a bowl game. they had injuries all season, kinda like a team called the Rockets - maybe you've heard of them. the coaching was bad, as well. UT has a great pool of talent, more talent than the Aggies. recruits consider UT much earlier than they consider A&M. the Aggies can't keep up w/ UT. Reggie McNeal is ONE Aggie. he's not the whole team. he can't throw it to himself to make sure the pass is not dropped. truth be told, if the Aggies had reggie had QB, RB, and WR, we'd be asking how many times has UT beaten A&M in the last 6 years, instead of the other way around. going in the first round doesn't necessary mean you're a great nfl star. ask ryan leaf and tom brady. [and try reading other threads, while you're at it.] and yes, reggie mcneal is expected to be drafted. i actually hope the texans draft him and reggie bush, b/c i think the two of them alone can lead us to the playoffs soon. i think mcneal is about as good at throwing as vince is, if not better, but vince is blessed w/ more talented receivers to throw to.
Y does a legitimate football discussion have to get screwed up by some *****in' tsips, or worse, the tshirt variety. U want to start a pissing match about our 2 schools, start it, but don't hijack possum's thread...dumb sh*t.
i googled a lil bit and found this. http://www.aggieathletics.com/pressRelease.php?PRID=10070 A&M Leads Big 12 with 42 Players on NFL Training Camp Rosters For Immediate Release Friday, August 5, 2005 COLLEGE STATION, Texas- With training camp underway for all of the NFL teams, 42 Texas A&M football players are listed on the various rosters. Texas A&M had 31 players on the 2004 NFL opening day lists. Texas A&M shares the Big 12 Conference lead with Nebraska’s 42 players on training camp rosters. Three Aggies are listed on the Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots roster led by wide receiver and kick returner Bethel Johnson and defensive lineman Ty Warren. Offensive lineman Billy Yates was on the roster but did not appear in a game in 2004. The Atlanta Falcons lead the way with five Aggies on the training camp roster. Defensive backs Jonte’ Buhl, Rich Coady, Byron Jones and Jason Webster are joined by defensive lineman Brandon Mitchell. Seven Aggies off of the 2004 Texas A&M squad are battling for spots on NFL clubs. The two co-captains of the 2004 Aggie team, wide receiver Terrence Murphy and defensive lineman Mike Montgomery, were picked up by the Green Bay Packers. Murphy was a second-round pick and Montgomery was a sixth-round selection. Offensive lineman Geoff Hangartner was taken in the fifth round by the Carolina Panthers. Defensive backs Buhl and Jones were free agent signees with the Atlanta Falcons, while running back Keith Joseph signed with the New Orleans Saints and defensive lineman Marcus Jasmin signed with the Detroit Lions. 2005 TEXAS A&M PLAYERS ON NFL TRAINING CAMP ROSTERS-- 42 No. Name, Position, Team #95 Sam Adams, DL, Buffalo Bills #99 Rocky Bernard, DL, Seattle Seahawks #47 Jonte’ Buhl, DB, Atlanta Falcons #86 Dan Campbell, TE, Dallas Cowboys #26 Rich Coady, DB, Atlanta Falcons #81 Chris Cole, WR, Jacksonville Jaguars #22 Sammy Davis, DB, San Diego Chargers #98 Ron Edwards, DL, Buffalo Bills #89 Robert Ferguson, WR, Green Bay Packers #92 Ronald Flemons, DL, Seattle Seahawks #26 Aaron Glenn, DB, Dallas Cowboys #46 Jason Glenn, LB, Miami Dolphins #82 Dante Hall, WR, Kansas City Chiefs #63 Geoff Hangartner, OL, Carolina Panthers #48 Warrick Holdman, LB, Washington Redskins #22 Michael Jameson, DB, Cleveland Browns #91 Marcus Jasmin, DL, Detroit Lions #95 Edward Jasper, DL, Oakland Raiders #81 Bethel Johnson, WR, New England Patriots #40 Byron Jones, DB, Atlanta Falcons #45 Keith Joseph, RB, New Orleans Saints #48 Terrence Kiel, DB, San Diego Chargers #9 Shane Lechler, P, Oakland Raiders #76 Jason Mathews, OL, Tennessee Titans #68 Seth McKinney, OL, Miami Dolphins #76 Steve McKinney, OL, Houston Texans #24 Ray Mickens, DB, New York Jets #92 Brandon Mitchell, DL, Atlanta Falcons #96 Mike Montgomery, DL, Green Bay Packers #67 Don Muhlbach, DS, Detroit Lions #86 Terrence Murphy, WR, Green Bay Packers #59 Dat Nguyen, LB, Dallas Cowboys #66 Alan Reuber, OL, Arizona Cardinals #14 Cody Scates, P, Houston Texans #73 Cameron Spikes, OL, Denver Broncos #86 Jamaar Taylor, WR, New York Giants #66 Rex Tucker, OL, St. Louis Rams #94 Ty Warren, DL, New England Patriots #36 Jason Webster, DB, Atlanta Falcons #69 Taylor Whitley, OL, Miami Dolphins #94 Pat Williams, DL, Minnesota Vikings #74 Billy Yates, OL, New England Patriots Aggies on NFL Coaching Staffs: Dennis Allen, Atlanta Falcons (Defensive Assistant) Gary Kubiak, Denver Broncos (Offensive Coordinator) Gary Reynolds, Seattle Seahawks (Quality Control/Offense) Zerick Rollins, Seattle Seahawks (Defensive Line/Quality Control) As of Aug. 5, 2005 Big 12 Rankings Texas A&M 42 Nebraska 42 Oklahoma 35 Kansas State 34 Colorado 33 Texas 25 Missouri 17 Oklahoma State 14 Texas Tech 14 Baylor 11 Kansas 9 Iowa State 8
Yeah, umm, I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to prove. I googled a little bit and found this off the Big 12 website.
That is, if he didn't decide to not suit up for the game so he wouldn't get hurt before the combine....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458 Bush turned pro after assurance of No. 1 pick ESPN.com news services click this Reggie Bush has long been assumed the top pick in the NFL draft, but after Vince Young's performance in the Rose Bowl, the Trojans wanted some assurance before the Heisman Trophy winner agreed to forgo his senior season. Reggie Bush Bush USC sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that coach Pete Carroll gave his blessing for Bush to turn pro only after being assured by Texans owner Bob McNair that the running back would be the No. 1 pick in the draft. Young, a Texas native, led his Longhorns to a victory over the favored Trojans in the national championship and ignited a public frenzy demanding Houston select the quarterback instead of Bush. However, the Texans appear to be sticking with their initial plan of drafting the running back -- a preference of the top candidate to become their head coach. A Broncos source told Mortensen that Gary Kubiak, Denver's offensive coordinator and the favorite for the Texans' head coaching post, believes current Houston quarterback David Carr can flourish with a new offense headlined by Bush and wide receiver Andre Johnson. Kubiak, a Houston native, is widely considered the likely successor to Dom Capers, who was fired as Texans coach on Jan. 2, one day after finishing a 2-14 season with a loss at San Francisco. However, under NFL tampering rules, the Texans cannot comment about or finalize any moves involving Kubiak until the Broncos' season is over. Denver advanced to the AFC Championship Game with a 27-13 win over the New England Patriots on Saturday.
You know, FSN kept promoting (during the Rockets' game) that they had a story about Vince Young having second thoughts about coming out. I didn't see the story after the game, but could these two go hand in hand together?
That was a small rumor that was going around a week ago. I was thinking the same thing. Even though I agree that he shouldn't pick for the popularity, but Kubiak would be an instant favorite if he picked VY and some might instantly hate if he picked Bush (it's not right, but it could happen). Kubiak sure does have a lot of work to do, and he hasn't even gotten hired yet.
In fairness, I'd say 33% of the Texan fan base would hate to have their QB be a Longhorn who just lead his team to a perfect season and national championship. There is a lot of very negative UT sentiment, particularly in Texas. How many other universities inspire others to try to mock their symbols and such (or even are aware of them). Duke basketball is probably about it that creates the same type of resentment. It will be a polorizing draft one way or the other.
I say public opinion should be irrelevant. The public is very, very fickle They'll whine for a little while after we select Bush. Then when we start winning games everybody will forget who Vince Young is and start calling for the Texans to erect a monument to Bush outside Reliant stadium. Mark my words. Things can change very dramatically in a matter of months.
Or when VY leads Tenn or NO to the playoffs before the Texans see a winning season they will take a generation to get over it. The outcome is more important, no one knows for sure what will happen. Kubiak knows the important and rarity of a QB with supreme talent and leadership skills. Juts have to wait and see.
This is one statement I think we can all agree on. However, outside of the biased Longhorn Lovin faithful, most scouts and people that decide which QBs have supreme talent and leadership skills don't even have VY as the #1 QB in the draft let alone the #1 overall player. Vince will be a top 5 pick, but I don't believe there is anyway that he even goes in the top 2.
Link to some proof that most scouts and people who decided don't have Vince as the #1 QB in the draft? I keep hearing them talk about Vince on the national broadcasts but I don't hear much Matt talk (even though I think he'll be a good NFL QB).
I'm glad Kubiak's making the choice instead of Capers. Whatever decision he makes, I will deal with it. (shhhhh.....go Bush).
