If you read it again he doesn't say that zones should be legalized. What he is saying though.... I have no clue?! ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
I know this is an old post.. But Dr. Jack is at it again. There are some good ones: McKie (Philly), Thomas (NY), Gatling (CLeve), Vaughn (Utah), Daniels and Rose (SA), Barry and Pollard (Sac)...If I had to pick one, it would be McKie. http://chat1.starwave.com/chat/chat.dll?Chat?room=szRamsay1218#new No Cuttino once again. Does this man ever watch basketball? Has he ever seen the Rockets actually play? Does he know that Cuttino is our sixth man, not a starter? I wish ESPN would jettison some of these reporters like Jack and Aldridge. ------------------ Little O
Allowing zones would not take the stars out of the games. It would make a completely different set of players stars. The best dribblers would be replaced by the best passers. The best leapers would be replaced by the best shooters. The best scorers would still be great, they would just have to transform their game. "Who actually wants to see Jordan going against a 3-2 zone, or a gimmick zone with a shadow man. Or Hakeem totally unreachable with a pass into a 2-3." With better team ball Hakeem wouldn't be unreachable. After Hakeem got the ball he would have to react faster because the defense would need less time to collapse. Is there something inherently wrong with that. I have enjoyed watching Rudy's system for a long time, but I am not going to say that it is the best kind of basketball just because the Rockets have had two of the best ISO guys to play the game (Hakeem, Cuttino). If they were to change the rule tomorrow, the Rockets would be screwed, but I still think it would be better for the NBA. ------------------
And also, you wouldn't ever hear about guys that are so great in college, but never got to show their stuff due to zone defense. Guys that were good in college would be good in the NBA and guys that are average in college due to zones would be bad in the NBA.
Sorry, I keep thinking of more stuff. I think that Ramsey is definetly off base about Cuttino. No matter what your philosophy is about basketball, Cuttino is a great player. I'm not sure why Ramsey can't appreciate Cuttino's great mid-range game that he probably loves because it is an uncommon skill these days in the NBA. I'm sure that Ramsey thinks that everyone should be great jump shooters like Cuttino. Why he would ignore him just for being a Rocket is ridiculous. ------------------
Say what you want to believe Doctor Robert, but zone defense damn sure tips the scales in the defense favor. That is why the NBA stopped it. OH YEAH!!! Then let's start by naming some college stars who never got to even "good" status in the NBA. Aside from Isiah Thomas...name one NBA star from Bobby Knight's Indiana....I pick Indiana because Knight invented the modern Motion Offense, which you claim is missing in the NBA, because of no zone defense. And you further imply, if there was a zone defense the merely good players from Motion Offenses in College would be starters in the NBA ("good players"). You make it sound like great players like Quinn Buckner, Scott May, Kent Bentson, Steve Alford, Keith Smart and Calbert Cheaney would be "good" in the NBA based on a rules change. That is not going to happen, because they *still* wouldn't be able to play defense (except Quinn who couldn't shoot). What zone means is that guys like Steve and Cuttino have an easier time of it at D because of the help clogging the lane. Everything on D is easier. But buys like Quinn Buckner were going to have to shoot much, much better in the NBA to survive, because everything on offense is harder. First off, how does Dream react Faster...did you never see a dream shake that he did for 10 years... B, you are again making an assumption that Steve Alford could add to NBA team ball. This NBA has better team ball without Steve Alford. 3...if you can't see how a 2/3 zone makes life easier for Ostertag, then maybe The Cat can come in here and talk college hoops with you. The zone defense makes it easier for defenses to rule and forces offenses to work harder, thus scoring goes down and the zone dominates the 4th quarter...forcing Hakeem and Jordan to pass. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited December 19, 2000).]
I don't think a zone is the answer in the NBA, that having been said I think we have tilted the balance of the game enough in the offenses favor. Admittedly lots of people seem to prefer the "score at will" type of game...I guess i'm o.k with the new rules (though some of the touch fouls seem excessive)...but I would strongly oppose any more rule changes designed to give us nice exciting 135-129 games. ------------------ "It was a woman that drove me to drink, I never got around to thanking her" W.C Fields
Come one, guys! The 10ppg 3.5rpp, & 3 apg McKie provides is clearly more impressive (and more important to his team) than Mobley's 17.5ppg, 4.5rpg, 2.2 apg If we had McKie instead of Mobley, our record would be much, much better. Then, instead of having a defensive stopper (Shandon) and potent offensive threat, we could have two defensive stoppers and a little bit of offense every 5 games. This is really quite simple. Also, if McKie did not have that ballhog Iverson as a teammate, he could easily average 11ppg! So he is sacrificing for the team. ------------------ EZLN
