Dr Fauci trusted China's data and concluded COVID is just a more serious flu back in Feb 28

Fauci and the world were misled by china and the W.H.O. I think he did his best. We cant fault the effort of any of our american leaders. Were there flaws? Sure. America is way bigger than France, Spain, italy and the UK combined and we have had an adequate response. This is a beast of a virus.

 

Anyone expecting perfection will be disappointed and no one is responsible for the virus. However there is absolutely lots of blame to go around with political leaders. The issue wasn’t just the fact the Trump administration acted slowly. The governor and mayor of New York acted too slowly. The governor of Florida and Georgia were shameful and the President offered zero guidance at the federal level. He has done a terrible job, has consistently lied and under delivered. The only credit he deserves is for listening to his experts. That doesn’t even get into him disbanding the pandemic force.

Everyone has the right to their opinions, but other than a handful of governors in places like Ohio and Illinois and California, everyone has disappointed.

 

Yes, I'm sure Trump's mental thought process was entirely based on the R0 - it was like "if it's less than 4, it's the new democrat hoax, but 4.1 or above, and it's a national emergency"

Please be ashamed for starting this thread and for voting for Trump. You really should be.

 

South Korea is right by china has much higher population density and they seemed to have done fine. Germany seems to be doing well too. peter navarro sent a memo in January about what was going to happen. Instead of making masks and getting tests they said all would be fine. China locked a region bigger than NY. You still don't have enough masks or tests.

 

He does care about the stock market, being business-friendly, tax break for business, deregulation and all that business stuff over most everything. But is anyone okay with him having no backup plans? He did have information on how bad this could get, but he chooses to ignore it and put all his eggs into one basket. He didn't have the fed gov prepared in case he was completely wrong. He was completely wrong and we are all paying the price for it.

Has he learned his lesson? I don't think so. He's now repeating the same mistake, wanting to open back up and installing a home-made team with his daughter and son-in-law as "experts" and not a single health pro. What is his backup plan? The State ignoring him? Because that's what is most likely going to happen. At this point, he is more of a hindrance than a problem solver. The States are going to get us out of this mess with help from the CDC and other experts in the federal government. His role now has been reduced to being a political slide show and he knows it. He's fuming mad about it but when you have lost trust and can't understand something as basic as a bacteria from a virus, you don't deserve to be handling a national health crisis.

 

4 more years of Trump. You down with that? Yeehaw

 

Never trust anything the evil Chinese regime has to say

 

The Chinese nationals in US knew that sh*t was bad in Wuhan but the American government with trillion dollar defense budget didn't realize it? This is despite China shutting down a whole region, after having had experience of handling the SARs.

Calling it "a beast of a virus" or an "invisible enemy" is a misnomer. Handling of pandemics is in the rulebooks and there were teams and beacons in place to handle them. Until they were dismantled. Nothing was done besides a token move of shutting the direct flights (something 40 nations instituted prior to the US). We were hoping against hope that the virus was seasonal until the very shut-down of our economy.

France is socialist. Italy is broke. Spain almost had a revolution recently. Sweden is crazy apparently. None of these EU countries have real borders! Germany is pretty amazing for having done so great despite these bad odds. They actually prepared and it showed. We have a strong executive with a huge budget and were better positioned and should've done way more to prepare imho. Trump was probably too preoccupied with impeachment retribution to prepare. Great chess grand-master that he is.

On a less related note, when one assumes that Dems are going to dismantle (your) oil industry, you probably can't help but see rosy colors on the other side of the isle. If only Trump led the world to a better handling of this pandemic or perhaps even pushed China on the wild animal trade hygiene policies during last few years of trade negotiations, the oil industry wouldn't be in so much trouble as it is now. If Trump wins the election and is going to be in charge of moving us out of depression (I certainly hope it's not the case), do you really feel he'll do well based on his current track record of listening to experts/advisors?

 

You've got to be kidding.

 

He can get a pass for the initial response, but the whole situation now with the fed fighting against states has been an ugly uncoordinated mess.

This is why we poured hundreds of billions into fema and homeland. Wtf is going on...oh right slashing budgets for his billionaire buddies, starving a beast designed to serve as our national defender against ALL THREATS, not just the kind that we justify buying million dollar missiles bulk.

Giving Trump a half trillion dollar check is going to be the grittiest of grifts. A most beautiful display of bait n switch quackery unseen in human history. He’s literally swimming in that money bin Scrooge mcduck had in the cartoons.

All that brown nosing and groveling is going to pay off in spades for his whipped up Gimps.

I wonder if he can run the bill up to 10 trillion.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED TeaBaggers!

 

Well China is at fault that’s indisputable at this point

 

I don't think one entity is guilty of everything done wrong in regards to Covid19.

1. We know that China lied about what was going on. That was wrong.
2. We know that despite China lying, our intelligence agencies (the same ones that Trump and GOP spend their time belittling and accusing of being the deep state) knew that there was a virus, and that it could easily spread and would have horrible results. They briefed the President and/or his cabinet.
3. We know that Trump isn't able or willing to process long briefings but that he was warned about the potential danger of the virus before it had ever spread to the United States. Trump being unwilling and unable to handle briefings is wrong.
4. We know that Trump took no action to start gathering supplies, and had previously cut the Pandemic response team and closed their office. That was wrong.
5. We know that after Trump was told that it was a serious threat, he continued to ignore it spread messages that it was fine, would go away like a miracle, and that things would get better. During this time, Trump still had not ordered supplies to be purchased, didn't start organizing networks for distribution of supplies. That was wrong.
6. Trump has since lied, used this pandemic to enrich people who have donated to his campaign(that's right. He lied about self financing everything as well), prioritized release of supplies and equipment not on where it was needed and where the most U.S. citizens were in danger and dying, but where the governors flattered and supported Trump. That was wrong.
7. Early on the WHO didn't do enough research on the data the Chinese were feeding them. That was wrong.

So it isn't a situation where one entity has to burden all of the blame themselves. This is a situation where multiple entities deserve some blame. The difference is that only one of the entities is in charge of protecting the United States.

 

I knew better on February 28. The president was in a better place than me to know. No excuses.

More generally. He's the leader. That makes him ultimately responsible. That's what made Reagan's embrace of that responsibility so popular. His epidemiologist gave him bad advice? That's his fault for not getting a better one. The Chinese lied to him? That's his fault for trusting them. The WHO wouldn't call a pandemic? Still his fault for waiting on them. If you're running a big company and get side-swiped by a global pandemic that destroys your revenue stream, your shareholders are not going to say, "it wasn't his fault, no knew that pandemic was coming." They're going to say, "why weren't you diversified? why weren't you hedged? why wasn't this in your risk management framework? why didn't you have a disaster response plan? Where the eff is my money?" If you're a leader -- a real leader -- you don't get excuses. I'd say real leaders don't want them either.

 

On Jan 15th, just on public info, we had a senior leadership meeting regarding the impact of Coronavirus on the business knowing it was coming and it would be bad, and put together a plan in place that week.

You can't tell me this BS that no one knew or the numbers were misleading. Everyone knew this was bad as the experts were saying, "Hey, this is going to be bad"

 

Your leaders were all over this as they said go to Chinatown, movies, parades, etc....

 

Trump talking points exposed
President Donald Trump is making false and exaggerated claims about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s Feb. 24 trip to San Francisco’s Chinatown. Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus, which originated in China late last year.

• Trump falsely tweeted that “Crazy Nancy Pelosi” had deleted a video from Twitter of her visit to Chinatown. “She wanted everyone to pack into Chinatown long after I closed the BORDER TO CHINA,” Trump said. But there is no record such a video was ever posted on Twitter by Pelosi.
• At an April 13 coronavirus briefing, Trump falsely claimed that during her visit Pelosi said, “‘Let’s all have the big parade — Chinatown parade.'” Pelosi didn’t say that. In fact, that parade had taken place on Feb. 8, more than two weeks before Pelosi went to Chinatown.
• At a coronavirus briefing on April 15, Trump exaggerated when he said Pelosi “was trying to have, in San Francisco, parties in Chinatown, because she thought it would be great.” Pelosi didn’t mention parties during her visit, although she urged people to come to Chinatown to shop and eat.
• Trump also falsely said Pelosi visited Chinatown “to show that this thing doesn’t exist,” referring to the novel coronavirus. Pelosi never suggested that it didn’t exist. She stressed the need for “prevention, prevention, prevention” — urging people to be “concerned and vigilant,” but not “afraid.”

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Our ruling
Trump tweeted that Pelosi deleted a video of her telling people to go to Chinatown.

Pelosi on Feb. 24 did encourage people to go to Chinatown in San Francisco. But we found no trace of her posting or deleting the video Trump shared.

At the time of Pelosi’s remark, U.S. health officials said the risk of the coronavirus was low to the American public since they had no reports of community spread. Trump during this time also said the virus was under control in the United States.

Neither the White House nor Trump’s re-election campaign provide evidence to support Trump’s claim. In the absence of evidence, we rate this claim False.

 

Thanks brother. I can find the parade and movie theatres portions of my statement if need to me too as well.

 

And what does that have anything to do with Trump not being prepared or having a plan?

BTW, Pelosi was trying to tell people not to be afraid of Asian people, not that the virus was not a threat.

 

Sure, why not?

 

Chinatown in New York City held its annual Lunar New Year parade. As AM New York described the scene, “Surgical masks were nearly absent from this parade as organizers, elected officials, costumed characters, and visitors alike showed none of the fear caused by news of the virus’s spread in China. Mayor Bill de Blasio and other officials jammed a stage on Hester Street on Mott Street — the heart of Chinatown.”