Dr Fauci trusted China's data and concluded COVID is just a more serious flu back in Feb 28

He was far from the first to warn the White House and get ignored. I'm pretty certain that Navarro's memo was a result of him actually reading and taking seriously the intel and medical reports that were submitted to the White House from at least 3 government agencies...something the WH refused to do.

 

Your assessment that this is based on data from China implies that Chinese hid pertinent info?

Fauci states in here that information is evolving - and is going by clinically proven data that's available to him.

This article is in not really telling us what he was actually thinking the true situation was and what advise he was giving to white house personally at the time. Although conclusion indicates that he thinks mitigation will be necessary despite low assumed R0 and mortality rate as others have pointed out.

 

To be fair, I wouldn't blame anyone for not listening to Navarro. He's a kook who's wrong 95% of the time. He got this one right, but he doesn't have much credibility in general and if you listened to him regularly, you'd end up doing a lot of stupid things.

I'm far more interested in Trump listening to his medical people and the CDC/etc than to his China-hating trade advisor. Here's a fun article on him: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/peter-navarro-ron-vara.html

 

Trump says that he did exactly what Navarro told him to do - ban flights. I heard Trump say that at one of his many briefings. Trump probably prefers to listen to dumb China hating Navarro than to a CDC expert. You are right

 

There is a lot of truth to this and especially during the early days of the crisis when the authorities in Wuhan were suppressing information.

I can forgive early missteps but this still comes down to responsibility. As another poster noted it always seems to be someone else's fault. That's not what a leader should do.

 

I listened to the interview with Navarro on 60 Minutes and it was cringe worthy..

 

I don’t think looking at reported numbers is the best way to judge how well a leader has handled this crisis. I would look at what he knew, when did he know it, and how did he respond. Did we have a chance to prepare, and did we prepare as well as we could have.

Testing plays a big part on the number of reported cases. Testing varies greatly from country to country. Even the reported deaths may not be very accurate in some countries.

 

Apparently Mr Thinnest Skin Evah has been baited into tweeting “FireFauci” after a republican tweeted that Fauci had directly criticized POTUS (which is false). Oh well. Maybe Jared can give good medical advice on the pandemic.

<insert yeah toast>

 

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Coronavirus-Compensation.pdf

Page 9 - As you can see no one has, nor should they, believe anything from China. With the amount of misinformation as well as lack of information during cirtical mass, the West was already on route to being blindsided. Now Chinese trolls like yourself are using divisive politics to attack everyone but the culprit.



17 November 2019 First record – in unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government documents seen by the South China Morning Post (SCMP) – of a virus infection matching what is later identified as COVID-19 in a 55-year old male from Hubei Province. Eight comparable cases are recorded in November, according to SCMP.

1 December A later report in The Lancet, published by Chinese scientists, states that the first known COVID-19 case is recorded on this date.

8 December A further patient is recorded with what have become recognisable symptoms. A later World Health Organisation (WHO) document reports that the first case of COVID-19 was recorded on this date.

Mid December Between 1 and 5 new cases are now being recorded each day, according to unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government documents seen by the SCMP.

20 December 60 confirmed cases have been reported by this date, according to unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government documents seen by the SCMP.

27 December A friend of the now famous deceased COVID-19 ‘whistle-blower’ Dr Li Wenliang later writes that on this date the friend’s own medical department was the first to report the new outbreak to the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control. Another doctor involved in diagnosing cases of the virus on this date later said he had been sure then that the disease would spread from human to human.

Unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government documents seen by the SCMP report that 181 cases of infection have now been recorded.

30 December Dr Li sends a message to his friends about a SARS-like outbreak. He and these friends were later investigated by police, and Li was obliged to sign a pledge not to spread any more “disruptive rumours”. Medical authorities ban staff from publicising the outbreak, and impede efforts to bring existing research into the virus to completion by delaying approval to circulate necessary data.

Unpublished, unconfirmed Chinese government documents seen by the SCMP report that the total numbers of cases stands at 266.

31 December China reports the outbreak to the WHO. A low-key public notice by Wuhan health authorities describes a new flu outbreak with 27 cases, 7 of them serious, linked to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, as yet no clear evidence of human to human transmission, and advises people with persistent fever to seek medical help. The New Year speech of Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, makes no reference to the outbreak.

Xinhua, China’s official state-run news agency, reports that all cases are linked to the Huanan Market in Wuhan and that there is no evidence of human-to-human (HTH) transmission. T

 

1.5 The Role of China’s Leadership in the Early-stage Cover-up of COVID-19

The standard response by the CCP leadership to a major disaster is to let local government take the initial blame. The picture of activity focused in Wuhan described above fits with this – to a degree. The Wuhan authorities should have been aware of what was happening by late December, when experts reported on internal channels an outbreak of a new viral infection. News of the outbreak was passed to the WHO on 31 December, but nothing was publicised in Wuhan. In the first three weeks of January, as the unacknowledged epidemic began to spread, the Mayor and his team temporised, aware of a dreadful problem but persevering with the annual Provincial Peoples’ Congress meeting and issuing thousands of tickets for holiday entertainments.

Unaware of the danger, hundreds of thousands of travellers flooded into the province for the coming New Year holiday. Meanwhile, at a secure laboratory in Shanghai, the COVID-19 genome was sequenced – in secret – as the daily tally of new cases rapidly increased. This establishment was later forced to close for releasing its data without official clearance. One of the new victims was Dr Li Wenliang.

Details of the spread were withheld from the public, as well as from the WHO. In the first two weeks of January it was even reported officially that the number of new cases had gone down to 41.60 The impression was deliberately created that the measures taken to control the outbreak had worked.61 But, at the same time, a Beijing-based media company reported that one radiologist in Wuhan had personally detected 50 new cases in one day.62 Another source refers to a public warning on 18 January that the virus was passing from person to person.63 That night an annual mass banquet took place in Wuhan’s Baibuting district for 40,000 guests, many of whom were soon in quarantine.64 But this is not the whole story.

In Beijing on 7 January, the CCP’s main theoretical journal, Qiushi (‘Seeking Facts’), began to publish timelines of Xi’s engagement with efforts to contain the outbreak.65 Though this was not mentioned at the time, a transcript of a speech by Xi on 3 February referred to a statement he had made on 7 January, at a meeting of the CCP Politburo standing Committee, when he had “issued requirements for the prevention and control of the new Coronavirus”. On 20 January, Zhong Nanshan, a scientist famous for his expertise on SARS, announced on state television that the COVID-19 virus could be passed from human to human.67 The same day, Xi made his first public statement on the crisis.

According to Xinhua, the state news agency, he stressed “the need for the timely release of information” to the public to ensure social stability for an auspicious and peaceful New Year holiday.68 The two tourists who became Italy’s first COVID-19 cases left China on 22 January, reaching Milan the next day.69 On 25 January, Lunar New Year’s Day, Xi is reported to have chaired a meeting of the seven-man CCP Politburo Standing Committee, the summit of power in China. He later referred to this meeting in his 3 February speech which was published in great detail, most unusually, on 15 February.70 Xi reportedly said that he had given orders on fighting the epidemic at a meeting on 7 January and had personally ordered the imposition of quarantine on Wuhan on 22 January.

 

This is an interesting thread. It's not because it has any validity to the premise. But it is interesting that along with others in Trump Troops the word has gone out to try and discredit Fauci. This poster has followed in line and is trying to cast doubt on the leading expert of infectious disease in the United States.

Fauci, like everyone else, isn't perfect and has made mistakes. But he is miles ahead of where anyone else on Trump's team is at as far knowledge and how to combat this pandemic. He routinely gives statements to correct Trump's lies. A leader who genuinely cared about the people would be grateful, but Trump feels angry and now his supporters in the party rush out to show how loyal they are to him by trying to slam Fauci. As a result the Trump voters are following orders and going after Fauci.

Very interesting.

 

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As Bernie Mac would say, "S***************y*********************t."

Very interesting, indeed. And nauseating.

So many people I know or hear about follow the misinformation of our Great Leader, or continue to make excuses for him: "Well, he's probably getting bad information...."

NO! He is making things up, as he always does. He's a bull****ter. Even Tucker Carlson (pre-pandemic) said he's a salesman, a b-s'er. Except now it's the big crisis that we all knew he couldn't deal with; hell, it'd be unbelievably difficult for an FDR or a Lincoln. For a Trump? Help us, O Lord.

 

No Excuses TRUMP knew and did nothing, he is responsible for the death of THOUSANDS of AMericans.

DD

 

He isn’t doing average. He heads the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world and has resources that no other nation on the planet can touch.

He fired the pandemic panel and stopped funding. He did not follow the blueprint provided by the panel either.

He did not use the time given before it hit us to prepare. He pushed lies about the virus and purposely downplayed the severity.

He lied about what he would and could do for the crisis in his briefings to his he country.

He failed to provide a clear blue print for the country to follow. He did not make Florida and Georgia close.

He did not streamline everything through the federal government and instead he forced the states to fight against one another.

He accused medical doctors of selling supplies on the black market. He has purposely sent mixed message about treatment.

He has been bad.

 

Yeah, god help us all if we accept that kind of work and label it "average" from our chief executive's office.

 

In the end Trump will be praised for his very good job: less than 100000 death. He might be re-elected due to the perfect response to covid19. This is America.

 

You forgot this important detail

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick