No kidding. People will believe any unfounded accusation about falsified documents as long as somebody on Faux News makes said accusation.
Because lying to a grand jury is so much worse than lying to congress about starting a war? Bush really used that vote to keep the peace right? In fact in light of these memos it seemed that was never his intention. That means that Bush lied to Congress.
DOWNING STREET DELUSIONS.... http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_06/006537.php The wingnuts are getting desperate. Captain's Quarters, in a nostalgic attempt to recreate the glories of Rathergate, suggests that the Downing Street Memos aren't real. Why? Because Michael Smith, the reporter who got hold of them, had them retyped to protect his source and then returned the originals. Jonah Goldberg feverishly calls CQ's revelations a "must read." Now, unlike the Killian memos that were at the center of Rathergate, there are quite a few principals in this case who either wrote or received these memos and therefore have absolute knowledge of whether or not they're genuine. The first memo, for example, was written by Matthew Rycroft and distributed at the time to David Manning, Geoff Hoon, Jack Straw, Peter Goldsmith, Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, Richard Dearlove, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, and Alastair Campbell. So far, not a single one of these people has claimed they're fake. In fact, just the opposite. Here's Tony Blair himself on May 1, the day the first memo was published: Here's Knight Ridder on May 5: Here's the Washington Post on June 12: Give it up, guys. They're real.
Because you are in charge of the justice department. Plus he was a lawyer. Wasn't he disbarred back in Arkansas?
So you beleive the the BAR association's findings should be incorporated when impeaching elected officials? btw, the judicial branch is not under the authority of the president. So please, expound on why you feel we should impeach the president because he lied about a sex act to a Grand Jury.
So please, expound on why you feel we should impeach the president because he lied about a sex act to a Grand Jury. More importantly, (for everyone here) do you believe lying to Congress is an impeachable offense? If not, should there be any penalty?
Articles Of Impeachment Passed by the Committee On The Judiciary December 11-12, 1998 Article 1 Article 2 Article 3 Article 4 Article I In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that: On Aug. 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, <b>William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury</b> concerning one or more of the following: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action. In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States. Article I Vote Passed: 21(R) -- 16 (D) Article II In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that: (1) On Dec. 23, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton, in sworn answers to written questions asked as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him, <b>willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony</b> in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning conduct and proposed conduct with subordinate employees. (2) On Jan. 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in a deposition given as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him. <b>Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony</b> in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate government employee and his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of that employee. In all of this, <b>William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.</b> Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States. Article II Passed: 20(R) -- 16 (D); 1(R) Article III In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding. The means used to implement this course of conduct or scheme included one or more of the following acts: (1) On or about Dec. 17, 1997, <b>William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to execute a sworn affidavit in that proceeding that he knew to be perjurious, false and misleading.</b> (2) On or about Dec. 17, 1997, <b>William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony if and when called to testify personally in that proceeding.</b> (3) On or about Dec. 28, 1997, <b>William Jefferson Clinton corruptly engaged in, encouraged or supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him.</b> (4) Beginning on or about Dec. 7, 1997, and continuing through and including Jan. 14, 1998, <b>William Jefferson Clinton intensified and succeeded in an effort to secure job assistance to a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him in order to corruptly prevent the truthful testimony of that witness in that proceeding at a time when the truthful testimony of that witness would have been harmful to him.</b> (5) On Jan. 17, 1998, at his deposition in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, b>William Jefferson Clinton corruptly allowed his attorney to make false and misleading statements to a Federal judge characterizing an affidavit, in order to prevent questioning deemed relevant by the judge. Such false and misleading statements were subsequently acknowledged by his attorney in a communication to that judge.</b> (6) On or about Jan. 18 and Jan. 20-21, 1998, <b>William Jefferson Clinton related a false and misleading account of events relevant to a Federal civil rights action brought against him to a potential witness in that proceeding, in order to corruptly influence the testimony of that witness.</b> (7) On or about Jan. 21, 23 and 26, 1998, <b>William Jefferson Clinton made false and misleading statements to potential witnesses in a Federal grand jury proceeding in order to corruptly influence the testimony of those witnesses. The false and misleading statements made by William Jefferson Clinton were repeated by the witnesses to the grand jury, causing the grand jury to receive false and misleading information.</b> In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States. Article III Passed: 21(R) -- 16 (D) Article IV Using the powers and influence of the office of President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and <b>in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has engaged in conduct that resulted in misuse and abuse of his high office, impaired the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, and contravened the authority of the legislative branch and the truth-seeking purpose of a coordinate investigative proceeding in that, as President, William Jefferson Clinton, refused and failed to respond to certain written requests for admission and willfully made perjurious, false and misleading sworn statements in response to certain written requests for admission propounded to him as part of the impeachment inquiry authorized by the House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States.</b> William Jefferson Clinton, in refusing and failing to respond, and in making perjurious, false and misleading statements, assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives and exhibited contempt for the inquiry. In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Which of these is about the BJ?
<b>krosfyah So you beleive the the BAR association's findings should be incorporated when impeaching elected officials?</b> No and that's not what I said. I simply stated that the state of Arkansas had problems with the way he conducted himself with respect to and respect for the law. <b>btw, the judicial branch is not under the authority of the president.</b> Not entirely: Judicial Powers: Grants reprieves and pardons for Federal crimes (except impeachment). Appoints Federal judges, with the agreement of the majority of the Senate. http://bensguide.gpo.gov/6-8/government/national/president.html <b>So please, expound on why you feel we should impeach the president because he lied about a sex act to a Grand Jury.</b>. If you read the post above, you will discover that you have seriously under-stated the impeachment proceedings against Clinton.
I figure just about everybody who addresses Congress lies to some extent. That's the reality of oppositional party politics and lobby-otomy legislation.
Poor giddy So worried about a man lying about having sex instead of a man lying to get 1700 americans killed, 35,000 americans wounded, 100,000 Iraqis murdered and spending $300 billion of taxpayer money.
What me worried?! The ironical thing is that most of those dead wouldn't b**** about Bush if they could like so many of you here do...
ALL of them. If you cannot see it, then that is more evidence of your membership in the Ostrich Brigade.
I recieved the above memo the other day. I burned the original and retyped it myself. Thought this was odd
He may have said that just to deflect all inquiries about the original memos. My bet is he still has the originals.
