I found an interesting blog highlighting the background of the protest organizers (International ANSWER), take it for what it's worth: http://www.tacitus.org/archives/000327.html#000327 Here's some pics from the San Fran shindig: http://www.right-thinking.com/comments.php?id=P292_0_1_0
Wow. A new leading example of hypocrisy for Webster's dictionary. Please go to that website, (that critiques a lot of the hyperbolic messages that appeared in the protests), and note their sybol of California at the top of the page. LMAO!
I know, pretty ridiculous. I posted the link for the pics, not the editorial "content", such as it is.
Yeah, both sides represented there are pretty awful. I have to admit, the main reason I did not go to the last set of protests was all the hateful speech in previous ones. It just doesn't fit with the "peace" message to me -- call me crazy. Also, I've also heard some speech that bordered on (if it didn't cross into) anti-semitic rhetoric. I wouldn't say that the pics there represent the majority of the protestors I've seen here in SF, but they do represent the loud fringe.
i like you b-bob...in the most platonic way you can imagine. (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
Pretty ridiculous pictures, except for the problem with 'God Bless Iraq'; why does the guy taking the picture have a problem with the country? Need it be stated that showing only those selected pictures is obviously an unfair representaion of the anti-war movement. Again, I doubt many to the right of center would want to defened what ALL right-wingers say about Iraq.
It will be a quick war - possibly as short as 2-5 days, and under no circumstances longer than 2-1/2 weeks. Keeping civilian casualties as low as humanly possible is #3 on the list of priorities (behind removing Saddam/the Ba'ath regime and destroying their WMD capabilities). Possibly the #2 priority. We will not fight en masse in the cities (no Mogadishu repeats), we will resort to seige before that. We are sending a huge force, and the ground assault will be in blitzkreig fashion (probably over in 2-3 days). The air war will be quick, and about 10 times as intense as the first air war. We will actually try to avoid killing Iraqi soldiers - except for the Republican Guard, the SRG, and Saddam's internal security service. In general, we will try to keep the carnage/damage to infrastructure and people to a bare minimum. We already know where most of his WMD are, and they will be destroyed very quickly; we will not give the UN that information, as it would quickly be passed on to the Iraqis, who would then proceed to move them. Sensitive information has a way of falling into Iraqi Intelligence's hands. A provisional govt will be installed, with eventual transition to democracy once a certain level of internal stability is achieved. The oil will become property of the Iraqi people (as much as any oil is ever the property of its citizenry) and will fund the rebuilding effort. Iraq will be an economic and political powerhouse in the region in 10 years. The Iraqi people will be free. For those who question Saddam's links to terrorists, do a search on a place called Salman Pak. That's me in the picture.
Ah, well, tried to post a picture. Didn't work. It's of me at a M60 mount on an armored Hummer... Maybe try again later.
www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/4985416.htm Also, for the record, George W. Bush has faith in 1000 years of peace . Up with the peace movement, no doubt.
Thank you for shedding the light, treeman. We need it with all the reconstituted garbage from the "peace people".
Cohen quote: This is when I believe you were playing the anti-semitic card again. In this very thread to try to intimindate or win a point with Achebe. Cohen, again as you know we agree on many things. You dont support Sharon and you want a two state solution with pre 1967 borders or damn close to it, which would involve dismantling the settlements with their billions and growing dollars of infratructure. The reason why I say "passive support" is that you have never presented one possible way that the US or the world could try to get Israel to reach these goals. As far as I know you nix Un peacekeepers, reduction in economic and military aid, sanctions or any thing that would get a hardhead like Sharon to change his plans. Maintaining the staus quo means more settlements and more problems or perhaps even big time ethnic cleansing by Israel. I would welcome a discussion with you on meaningful concrete steps to get Sharon, and at this time he is the middle of the road in Israel, to behave. Until that time we should probably try not to discuss the issue. .
Cohen, perhaps we should quit wasting our times talking to one another concerning this point. I think you are starting to post disingenuously, which imo... is worse than being an idiot (which is my synopsis for some of the other people in this thread). Maybe it speaks to a bigger point, the fact that republicans "don't do logic", but I gave you a counterexample illustrating that preemptive strikes are fraught with slippery slope problems. Your response was to give me some 'obvious' stat where Sadaam will strike out at us w/ an 80% certainty. Give me a break. In your own post you contradict state sponsored terrorism and little terrorist isolates yet you have no proof that Sadaam has ever organized a terrorist strike against the US. edit (pre-post ): Upon rereading your post, I think I saw a bit more of your intuition, but I still think the argument that we should fight Iraq b/c of a threat to the US is tenuous. I'm being instructed to come to bed, so I'll wrap this up quickly: I could care less about Iraq, but it seems to me that it only is pertinent in some long term Israel/ME peace attempt (democracy in the middle of the ME). Sure, it might backfire and send Iranians and Saudis for our throats, but a democracy in the ME, all things considered... seems to me the only plausible goal for Bush (unless its just a 'you tried to hurt my dad' thing). The argument that Iraq is in our critical path... is silly. treeman, the link apparently expects a session id (which won't be in our browsers). ROXRAN, your showing your unbridled faith. Your blinding us with your impeccable example. The light. Love. War. SUVs/decals. Silly people. Faith. RAH!!! "Stupid methodists"!! RAH!!!
