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Doris Burke

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Zboy, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

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    That's exactly my point. Do the refs tend to hold their whistle more in the playoffs? Yes.

    Harden doesn't take this into consideration and instead still relies on them in closing moments of games in the playoffs which has routinely failed Harden and the Rockets. I want to see exiting last second clutch shots in the playoffs by Harden. It'll help his legacy but it ain't going to happen if in these inbound plays in clutch situations Harden is just trying to have a WWE match with his defender hoping the refs have sympathy for him rather than trying to run free from him.
     
  2. s3ts

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    Like 10% of this is talking about my actual point about how Chris Paul does a worse job, and Doris covers his ass.

    Again, Chris Paul baits fouls like no other, nobody gives a flying ****, not even Doris.
     
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  3. D-rock

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    Find another team if Harden pains you so much.

    Because Harden is not going anywhere soon.
     
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  4. s3ts

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    Chris Paul does it too. When he does it, he's a crafty competitor.

    When Harden does it, Harden and the fans of the Houston Rockets are all assholes and pieces of human garbage apparently.
     
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  5. D-rock

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    Neither does fchowd, he just loves to push his anti-Harden narrative.

    This is his M.O.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    Actually Chris Paul is generally hated by neutral fans for his antics such as dick punches and his attempts at foul baiting. However CP3 will still try to run and get open to catch an inbound pass. On fact I'm pretty sure this was something that caused tensions between Harden and CP3. CP3 wanted Harden to move his feet more in those situations.
     
  7. s3ts

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    Let me wrap 2 arms around you and see if you can run to get an open pass without pushing your arm off or using my own arm to push you off.

    At this point, I'm quite sure you didn't even watch that sequence.
     
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  8. D-rock

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    CP3, the greatest foul baiter in NBA history, takes Harden to the floor. The ref in attendance calls it a defensive foul and Javie confirms that it is a defensive foul.

    Yet you and fchowd are using THIS instance to berate and chastise Harden?

    It was a CLEAR defensive foul on CP3.

    The BS narratives never cease.
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    Don't do this. You know Harden was playing along also. He also had his arms wrapped up on the backside of CP3. Harden could have easily tried to move his feet in that situation. In fact if CP3 had a alleged tight hug on him, Harden attempting to run away would make it far more obvious CP3 was fouling. Harden was complicit in having that hugging match. He could have easily ran away as he's far stronger and more explosive than CP3.
     
  10. D-rock

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    Refs said otherwise.

    You cannot talk this BS into existence. It was a defensive foul, confirmed by Steve Javie.

    Much to your chagrin, and Doris Burke's I'm sure.
     
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  11. s3ts

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    "Don't do this."

    What you think we're living in China? I'll say whatever the **** I want here, especially when I'm right.

    Watch the damn sequence, I hope everyone sees how biased you are like Chris Paul is some saint.

     
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  12. Deuce

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    This is an EXTREMELY ASTUTE point! Thank you for bringing this up. There is no way around that.
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    Dude they were BOTH grabbing each other. This wouldn't happen to a tradional NBA guard who runs and moves their feet in that situation to get open on an inbound play. Harden wanted that hugging match. They were both wrapping each other up. Harden very easily could have just ran to an open spot to get a clean look for the inbounds passer.
     
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    I'd rather he not play that game with Chris Paul or Marcus Smart or other players of that ilk. That's exactly what they want him to do, and he doesn't have to play long. You seem to be arguing that he is helpless in that situation and has no choice but to rassle with those guys. I don't think that's true.
     
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  15. s3ts

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    I love how you're so biased you can't see how foul bating he is, especially right here in the clutch.

    It cost OKC a free throw, with possession back at the hands of the Rockets.

    Yet here you are blaming it on Harden.

    Look at where Chris Paul has his arms. It's out in front of him to contain Harden from moving to his left because he wants to receive the ball on that arm and Chris Paul knows it, so he prevents Harden from moving in that direction.

    Then he literally trips Harden and falls flailing to make it look like Harden was the one fouling.

    And apparently Chris Paul doesn't foul bait? And Doris doesn't need to call his ass out? Right?
     
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  16. fchowd0311

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    Harden was successfully denied the ball the possession after which led to a turnover BECAUSE he was stationary and refused to try to run and free himself. Harden was lucky with the CP3 hugging match.ost refs would see both players are hugging each other and therefore wouldn't call a whistle.
     
  17. s3ts

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    Did you not read what I wrote??? It gave the Rockets a free throw attempt (which Harden made) AND the possession back.

    It was NOT successful denial of the ball possession, it literally put the OKC in jeopardy.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    What happened in the next Rockets' possession?
     
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    CLASSIC CHANGING OF THE TOPIC TRAIN. I LOVE IT. YOU'RE SO ****ING WRONG YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOPIC TO THE NEXT POSSESSION.
     
  20. durvasa

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    Both Paul and Harden are foul baiters. The difference is that Paul will foul bait on both ends of the floor, while Harden reserves his foul baiting mainly for the offensive side.

    Paul was clearly trying to manipulate Harden into fouling him. I'm glad he got called for the foul. But it very easily could have gone the other way, and it is shortsighted to ignore that possibility.

    This isn't about defending what Chris Paul did. It's about what Harden should do in situations like that to give him and his team the best chance to win. As a general principle, worry about what you can control first and then complain about what other people are doing second.
     
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