SamCassell, I believe Achebe is referring to the new rule which would forbid defensive players from being in the lane for more than three seconds, unless they are marking someone within arm's length. I think this rule will never be enforced. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Lol! I just realized that. Thought I could take down my old post quick without you seeing it. And all my good research for nothing! That new rule is freaky. ------------------ I'm about to boldly go where many men have gone before.
How will the new 3 second rule help? So a guy stands in the lane for 3 seconds. He then makes a quick slide-step out of the box, and right back in. Wait 3 seconds and repeat. I don't see how it would deter big men much. ------------------ I'm about to boldly go where many men have gone before.
lol! It's pretty bad that I caught something within 3 minutes. Honestly, I was working on something else too. btw, anyone w/ info on SSI and JRun 2.3.3 bugs, please notify me. LOL. ------------------ ballerina, you must have seen her... dancing in the sand
I forgot : This reminds me of a quote, I don't know by whom though. I shall attempt to paraphrase it. "For every complicated problem, there is a very simple solution, and it's always wrong." ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe. [This message has been edited by Puedlfor (edited April 12, 2001).]
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken ------------------ I really hope this offseason won't consist of only Webber and Zone threads.
LOL! I can just see it now... "... but, but, come on ref... you weren't looking when I stepped out and stepped back in!!! I DID STEP OUT!!!! You should've restarted the 3-second count!!!" ------------------ Yugo grills, Yugo mills, Check out the oil my Yugo spills...
I agree with Tod. And if you look at how the Rocks are built now, they are going to take advantage of this so much its gonna look scary. First of all, pushing the ball is what Rudy wanted all along, isn't it? Then, what team can compete with the all around team speed that the Rocks possess up and down the floor? Not many. And the big centers will be hurt by this because of the 3 second rule on defense. That means Shaq won't stay in the lane waiting for everyone to come to him. Also, now there is some hope for Cato. He can just take alley oops for ever and score 12 to 15 points per game without learning one offensive move. I think these changes benefit the Rocks. All they have to do is incorporate some passing and some creative play calling and I think we are on our way. ------------------ Sleepless in the Bronx
Then why is Rudy so vehemently against the changes? Is this really a case of "what Rudy wanted"? Is he really concerned about the future of the game with the rules changes, but deep down he knows he'd eat these changes up? What's he so worried about then? Hmmm... ------------------ Yugo grills, Yugo mills, Check out the oil my Yugo spills...
Almu, please explain what WON'T be hurt by this, offensively speaking, before you apply such logic that centers won't be as effeective anymore. I agree the frontline's will be hurt, but the best frontlines will still represent the best teams. Explain how the backcourts aren't hurt by the presence of frontcourts in zone. So, in reality, the best frontline's will be hurt the least, because they are the best on the offensive and defensive sides of the court. The best centers and power forwards still will have the best goto moves and most high percentage options. Tell me how San Antonio's frontline is going to be hurt more than ours. And tell me how our fastbreak is all of a sudden going to be better than San Antonio's. Or tell me how our backcourt is all of a sudden going to have zone creases to penetrate against a Duncan high post and Robinson low post in zone, with 3 perimeter players in man defense. to me, the one undeniable fact in all this is all offenses suffer with this rule. No? Who can argue with that? The frontline with superstars suffer the least....as always. Gaining a net advantage for teams anchored by superstar centers and/or PFs.
"no silver bullet" is stolen from Frederick Brooks. "The Rockets play dumb, boring basketball. Hopefully Rudy T. will learn to adapt. Take "2 Shakes", our isolation play where Mobley/Francis is all by himself with the ball on the wing, and the other four guys are just standing on the weak side. The canonical example of the borin' bball bod's b****in' 'bout. That play just *POOF* disappears next season? Yes, zone makes it much easier to cheat on the ISO. Yes, Duncan and Robinson can set up an impenetrable gauntlet for ISO dribblers. We have options off the "2 Shakes" set: Kenny immediately runs into the lane if Mobley is double-teamed, the other 3 weakside players are always moving into their spots too. Our "24 High" is a pick-and-roll that starts out looking just like a "2 Shakes" ISO, except Kenny/Bull/Mo runs over and sets a pick for Francis. We have lots of different options off this play. The weakside players are setting screens and running to shooting spots, reacting to the defense reacting to the Francis/Kenny pick-and-roll. I thought I saw some brand new options get tried out Tuesday night. "24 High" is boring isolation basketball too, right? <ul> [*]1. How do the new rules allow opposing defenses to instantly surfocate 2 Shakes? [*]1a. ... and all the options we've developed off 2 Shakes? [*]2. How do the new rules allow opposing defenses to instantly surfocate 24 High? [*]2a. ... and all the options we've developed off 24 High? [*]Bonus: How do the new rules allow opposing defenses to instantly surfocate the Jazz 2-man ISO pick-and-roll game? [/list] Zone defense vs "2 Shakes" is easy, right? Tell me what happens with news rules defense if we manage to set up in a 2 Shakes formation. Strong-side illegal D rules were relaxed before this season, right? I never saw anyone that I thought was taking advantage of the new strong-side rules? Why didn't the new strong-side rule kill the ISO?
Yes Jam, 2-shakes and 24 high are both boring plays. I've said it over and over again, the Rockets dribble too much. I don't think that you should pass just to pass, but the Rockets have no ball movement and virtually no movement without the ball. And it is very frustrating to watch. I don't know if these plays are going to go away next year. I would doubt it. But the new rules will make the Rockets move without the ball more. ------------------ The Body Beautiful
Here is how it will work IMO [if i was coaching] MAN ON MAN ON THE BALL and everyone else free lances. this is how seattle beat the Rockets consistantly. . . they played ZONE [they knew they would get 3~5 a game but would not be all every possession] when the offense sets up. everyone will probably cheat to the ball. I see an INCREASED difficult in finding Good passing lanes because of the zone. Passing over the zone allows the defense time to recover WE HAVE ALL STATED HOW FAST THESE GUYS ARE even compared to college. A Pass over the top - a skip pass will not be as effective because THIS SEASON: the defender had to completely commit Next season he will not. as a defender All I have to do is play the passing lanes. . . Look for the Eddie Joneses, Paytons or the league to start creeping closer to double digit steals a game Steals to fast break pts . .. if that is ya style of basketball . . . fine The so called intelligent ball will be gone. PLAYer MOVEMENT? BALL MOVEMENT? Pul Lease NOT IN A HALF COURT SET This went from a Big man's game to a Quick Guards game. . . . LOOK AT THAT . . I'VE CHEERED MY SELF UP. We talk about Francis's and Mobley's defense being suspect. . . but I bet their steals go up next year. . . . Rocket River WHY RUN PLAYS?!?!?!? JUST STEAL AND DUNK ------------------
But the new rules will make the Rockets move without the ball more. A bald-faced assertion presented as a conclusion. You gotta Back up that statement if you wanna make it. What are opposing defenses going to do against 24 High that will force the Rockets to change? I think we'll see a lot fewer slashes to the basket. Any defender can camp in the lane for three seconds. We won't see as many players slashing to the lane without the ball. Any time a defender is running over for a double/triple team, they can cheat in the the lane a couple seconds to prevent a slash. [This message has been edited by jamcracker (edited April 13, 2001).]
So Tod, if 24-high is boring, then...say it...say it...Jerry Sloan's PNR is stupid and boring too. Also, explain any team whose system you like, now. So we can put that on record too, and compare it to what they do next year against a zone.
Good, big centers will certainly become a useful commodity now! But I tend to think that most teams will continue to play man defense - sure a more relaxed man than they are forced to play now, but man nonetheless. It's all to easy to bust the zone and get a mid-long range jumper with a few quick passes, especially if the opposition are camping under the hoop. And Shaq is a definite "under-hoop camper" - that'll make it harder to score with layups, but it means that the Collier types get plenty of FT range jumpers, as long as they can make those they're still in business. ------------------
WOW everybody's going crazy over the NBA allowing Zone Defenses. So what... Over 97% of the teams run a zone defense today anyway. The only difference is that they try to cover it up. I really don't believe any teams will be trying to run a 2-3 Zone. Basically they will be running the (Cover up zone defense) that run right now with some small adjustments; the only difference is it won't be called. Any way if you pass the ball to the open man you will kill a zone defense. I actually feel as if the Rockets play better when they are passing the ball around. One man has never won a championship by himself not even Jordan or The Dream. ------------------ Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.....
you not-much more zone or slow zone logic people are dillusional. Zones will be fast and feverish, just like man on man, but with fast, athletic 7'ers guarding the lane. Not too many, though. Only about 4 exist. But they will rock. Count on defensive dynasties controlling the NBA. Take your Kent Benson is Bill Walton with NBA Zones logic away....athleticism rules and always will. Now defenses will rule like David Stern and the owners could never image.
yee-hoo! a quote on the front page! Thanks Admin Bunny! heyp, the rules are changed now. Do you agree w/ the commentators that say the Rockets should end up being one of the better teams w/ the new rule (or should I say w/ one less rule)? Do the Rockets have the manpower? If so, is Rudy up to it? ------------------ ballerina, you must have seen her... dancing in the sand
