Don't ever scream for Sage Rosenfels to start again.

folks, this is an example of when you know you've lost an argument, by his own standards (fumbling away chances, he lost his own argument). so he's not 4-2 including jax, he's 3-2. not including that game, in 5 games he threw 8 tds and lost 6 ints and lost 2 fumbles to the titans defense.

 

dude you're hanging on one game, lets compare schaub's titans game to sage's indy's game.

matt schaub isn't better tds to turnovers if you want to take into account everything last season. just go look the stats up yourself. i'm not going to look it up season by season, that's what you have to do to get the fumbles.

 

how did i manipulate your statement, you said sage fumbled away his starts, you were wrong. and you're the one who wants to leave out one of his wins, and you're still wrong

so you went to the childish fumble expressions

game set match

 

hell, guy can't get on the field because of bobby's irrational support of "franchise" qbs, i'd be trying to hellicopter my arse into a starter's position too, since he's judged by these irrational standards

 

posting like this means TJ wins again.

here's my secret. don't watch the games. seriously. i had a fantastic day yesterday. i went to discovery green with my family in the morning...amazing place. then hopped the metrorail down to hermann park and the zoo. got home about 3...saw the very last play of the game. texans won...everyone's happy!!!

 

how much better do they have to be

talk about taking stuff out of context, HE HAS WON. i was just being sarcastic

 

msn, rosenfels has no upside; that's the difference. he is what he is - a career back-up on his 3rd or 4th team. he has incredible value in that capacity but he's not a starting NFL QB.

schaub has the higher upside; he might have the same downside, but he hasn't hit his ceiling yet. if he can iron out mistakes - a component of his inexperience, not to mention lost time due to injuries - he'll ultimately be a better QB.

 

if you look at what they did as backups, the only logical reason to say schaub has more upside is age.

 

as back-ups? why would i evaluate their performance as back-ups?

rosenfels was a 4th round pick who failed to make a team that featured tony banks, jeff george and kent graham. after sitting out a year, unwanted, he spent the next 4 years with the dolphins and couldn't beat out the likes of jay fielder, brian griese, aj feely, gus frerotte... i mean, he was never even second string.

he is what is; if he had more to offer, someone, at some point, would have seen it. schaub has a greater upside, higher ceiling. he may end up being no better than sage rosenfels when all is said and done, but the team is better off discovering that for themselves.

 

because i've already proven he's a better starter on this team, sage only started four games in two seasons for miami. so I don't know if he was given a fair shot their also. in a good sample size of games here, he's slightly outperformed schaub.

again, i don't know why he wasn't given a shot in miami, his second start was pretty bad, miserable, but the rest of that season he posted pretty decent stats. and he's improved here, so what happened in miami is neither here nor there.

he is what he is, a backup who's outperformed both starters in front of him in his tenure as a texan. the time for discovering themselves is over.

 

sage threw exactly 109 passes his first five years in the league, what he's done here is prevelant, where he's trippled that number in less that 2 1/2 seasons.

 

no you really haven't - again, it's about upside. in 6 starts with the texans, rosenfels has posted a 100+ qb rating once. schaub's done it 5 times in 15 starts. give sage 15 starts, and he's at 2.5.

sage's ceiling is average. schaub has, in a 1/3 of his starts, shattered "average." as a football team, you're far better off gambling schaub can consistently wind up on the plus side of average (and well beyond) because it ultimately makes you a better football team.

6 starts in 3 years is not a good sample size; it's the foundation of most "our back-up is better!!" arguments.

if you handed sage 15 starts, his limitations would start to rear their ugly head and he would run into his ceiling, which is considerably lower than schaub's.

he threw 109 passes in 13 games; that's roughly 8 a game, likely primarily in mop-up duty.

again, if he had anything to offer, someone would have seen it - he didn't even make a bad team with bad QBs as a rookie....

we'll agree to disagree; i don't think he's outperformed schaub. you could argue he's been marginally more consistent - but, again, in a much smaller sample size (273 attempts to 441).

that's part of schaub's growing pains, though - and you live with those because, again, his ceiling is much higher.

rosenfels' five best starts with the texans: 116.6, 85.6, 83.6, 79.2, 78.
schaub's five best starts with the texans: 119.5, 119.2, 112.3, 101.8, 101.5.

 

I can play this silly game too

sage's lowest texan start passer ratings, 63,78,79
schaub's, 27,31,60
so schaub's lowside is way lower than than sage's, no wonder sage has a better winning pct, advantage sage

gambling

is going with schaub, when you consider ceilings and floors, see above

there is no foundation, other than here, that's the point

again by your logic taking individual games with the texans, one guy has waaaaaay lower floor

but he's outperformed carr and schaub, so looking back at the past means nothing, only when its convenient

and lets not forget wins, which schaub's wild swings expalins, thanks for breaking down the ratings game by game

 

"I've been a backup long enough... I play pretty good when I start, I've won some big games, and I deserve a chance to start in this league once and for all..."

Signed,
Jeff Hostetler
Frank Reich
Cody Carlson
Todd Collins
Scott Mitchell
Ty Detmer
Gus Frerotte
Don Strock
Kelly Holcomb
Steve Buerline
Charlie Batch
And countless others... not named Steve Young, Tom Brady, or Kurt Warner

Rooting and comparing the backup QB to the starter is just about as old as the game itself. And in this case, Sage's performance doesn't necessarily deserve the hype that some of the above QB's generated before they ultimately failed as a starter (Hostetler won a Super Bowl for christ's sake...).

Yes, the Texans gave up way too much for Schaub... but when given a chance to play, I don't really see how he deserves to "lose" the job. And, in many areas, he's ultimately out-performed his backup.

Sage has been just fine in his role... and I don't think we need to change it, given Schaub's so-far spotty injury history.

 

this argument is especially ridiculous considering schaub's chance to start

IS BASED ON TIME AS A BACKUP

 

Significantly less time as a 'backup' than all the above... as he was being developed/groomed to start one day somewhere, as you're not declared a career "backup" at age 25 (he was actually perfect trade-bait, much like the Texans did with Drew Henson, except the Falcons got a much sweeter deal even when losing Vick).

Most of the above either were journey-men (like Sage), or played behind a future HOF (meaning they were there specifically to be a BACKUP QB... not to provide competition to the starter, or to one day be developed into a starter).

The bottom line is that those were guys who came in as the backup and looked amazing... some at an advanced age... some in the most pressure-packed and highest stage of situations. Teams either forked over a ransom, or the existing teams decided that was enough and named them the starter. More often than not, the backup shows his true colors eventually.