I have a hard time believing this wasn't something that was known for a long time but was just leaked out for political timing. A conviction is public record. Anyone in the world could have happened across this information and released it. I have a hard time believing that Al Gore's campaign staff didn't know about this a LONG time ago...despite the fact they deny it. I have to say, I think Bush has handled this with dignity. He's not blaming anyone else or running. He said essentially that he did it, he's sorry, and he's turned his life around. He isn't asking for the messenger or the police officer who stopped him to apologize to him. Gore might want to take notes. How classic is it that this story, this late in the game, might ultimately be a bigger issue than all of Al Gore's fundraising problems. Unbelievable. ------------------
I have a hard time believing this wasn't something that was known for a long time but was just leaked out for political timing. A conviction is public record. Hmmm, this would be terrible campaign strategy. If you were holding something like this, you use it when Bush is surging (post first-debate?), not right at the end. First off, lots of people have early-voted and you lose the ability to change their minds. Second, you know people are going to question the timing. Plus, as election day gets closer, character tends to become less of an issue, and the issues become a bigger thing. Why, I don't know, but character-questions work better over longer periods of time where doubt can seep in ... You can directly attack someone on the issues and thus get a much bigger & faster emotional response. If it was a purposely done political leak, it was a bad attempt. ------------------ Is it any coincidence that the Cato is the only Rocket with a temperature scale named after him? I didnt think so!!!!
Exactly, I love to hear Republicans get all self-righteous on stuff like this. Sure, Republicans never do anything like this, never. WHAT THE F*** EVER!! It's politics, both sides play it the same way. What cracks me up is my Mom's argument (God love her, at least I didn't follow in her political footsteps)-at least he took responsiblity for it, I mean he could've got his Dad to help him out. Please. ------------------ "Priorities is our values"-Dubya at campaign stop in San Jose on 11/1/00 visit www.swirve.com
mc mark, I'm confused about the dates. Does 1976 constitue 'before 1968' in Bush's world of numbers, or should I assume there have been multiple arrests? Pre 1968 sounds as if he was about to admit to a different incident. The 'No' therefore, is clearly a lie. ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
Clutch, I don't see your point. No crime was committed here. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out. You're just letting your hatred for Gore cloud your judgment. I guarantee you that if Bush had anything on Gore like this, he'd save it until now. If not, he's as stupid as he sounds. You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think that Republicans and Democrats, or any other party is different when it comes to stuff like this. ------------------ "Priorities is our values"-Dubya at campaign stop in San Jose on 11/1/00 visit www.swirve.com
Of course, Republicans would rather focus on Gore's exaggerations about when his mom sang him a lullaby rather than their candidate lying about his arrest record. I mean, which is more important? ------------------ "Priorities is our values"-Dubya at campaign stop in San Jose on 11/1/00 visit www.swirve.com
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, nothing is. You are absolutely hilarious to watch in action. First you play stupid, saying Gore had nothing to do with this. Then you accuse Bush of leaking this information himself. Then you all but admit Gore did it and say you "guarantee" Bush would do the same thing. In the same thread! Couldn't you atleast spread your contradicting statements around a bit so they can't be so easily used against you? Hilarious. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Clutch, no offense... but where exactly did you see that Gore's campaign released this information? The guy was a delegate at the 1996 convention, and a former [edit:] goober candidate of Maine. By the way, I personally don't think the messenger is the issue here. If someone tells a truthful story, at whatever hour, it warrants attention. The fact that Bush has been running a 'morality' campaign seems to suggest he's a bit of a hypocrite. A 'youthful indiscretion' at the age of 30 seems to be ridiculous to me. It's not a fatal blow, but in conjunction with his perjury, his cocaine usage, etc... holmes seems to be running on the Clinton II platform (though he lacks Clinton's ability to have more than one neuron firing at once). ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but." [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited November 04, 2000).]
p.s. Rm95, I think we found Brian. Brian, what'd you do with Clutch? ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
I've never said that I think that Gore did it. I said if he did, it's still not that big a deal, it's nothing the Republicans wouldn't do as well. And if you couldn't see my sarcasm in the whole Bush leaked it himself reply, then I can't help you. This all coming from someone who agrees with the assessment that leaking info about a drunk driving arrest is on par with being dragged behind a truck because of your race. (I mean all this with the upmost respect! ) ------------------ "Priorities is our values"-Dubya at campaign stop in San Jose on 11/1/00 visit www.swirve.com [This message has been edited by Rocketman95 (edited November 03, 2000).]
Oh there's more, there's more I want to know about the one year AWOL, or the cocaine bust in Houston. RocketmanTex can you provide any more details? ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
Personally, I like the way people on both sidea are saying, "I don't even like the candidate I am suporting - I just hate the other guy so much more!" but then proceed to defend the person they "don't really like" with extreme passion and bias. Wy must everyone attempt to belittle others on the basis of two chumps who couldn't care less about our "meaningless little lives" ? I think politics is an entertaining aspect of life, but this is all getting very annoying and draining. An example is when my wife sent the link to that "Candidate Match-o-Matic" to her friends. She got responses of nothing but rhetoric how candidate A is a liar, blah, blah, blah! I cannot wait until this is over and the general public will go back to not caring about politics and politicians. ------------------ EZLN
Oh come on Rimy, Its just now getting to be fun! Never have I seen Rocket brothers go at each other like this. ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
There are rumors that Bush might be dislexic. Maybe he meant before 1986. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
OK, I'm going to try to be a peacemaker (for a change, eh?) Bush stinks. Gore stinks. Presidential election 2000 stinks, although watching the returns Tuesday night will be interesting. The political process stinks. Soft money stinks Lies from politicians, no matter which party they belong to, stink. I will now quote yet again from Rodney King: Can't we all just get along? There, I did it. I think today's rainstorm in Houston has brought out the old softie in me(OK guys, you can hold the jokes about my private parts). Oh, and one last thing.... ROCKETS RULE!!!! ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
There was an article on Salon about the "AWOL" thing (It wasn't really AWOL in the technical sense). You might do a search there and see if you can find the article. It was mildly interesting. One cannot find any details of the cocaine bust because it may never have happened. It was alleged in that book that was pulled off the shelves by the publisher and even at least one of the known sources for the story in the book says it isn't true. If there was an arrest, Bush the Elder used his power and influence to make it disappear. I'm a Republican, but I've never liked Bush (which is why I wasn't planning on voting this year anyway, a point I've previously made on these boards). The drunk driving thing is just another instance why, if I were picking the candidates, this guy wouldn't be the Republican Nominee. The worst part is truly that he tried to keep it hidden. It would've been far better had this come out years ago and that it came from him. People really don't care about things that happened a quarter century ago (well, some do, but usually only the truly partisan people from either side), it's the "cover-up", the trying to sneak it past us that makes people upset about it. Had Bush always been open and honest about these "youthful indescretions", this wouldn't be a story now, and it likely wouldn't have hurt Bush at all when it came out. The thing I hate most when things like this come out is listening to the people on talk radio. There's always the people who excuse the behavior of their guy by pointing out something about the other guy. It becomes a "Bush drove drunk? Oh yeah, well Al Gore says he smoked pot." As if the fact that Al Gore may have smoked pot (the host of this show, I think it was David Gold, said Gore admitted to smoking pot. I don't pay enough attention to know whether that is true) has anything to do with GWB driving drunk. That line of reasoning always bugs me. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited November 03, 2000).]
Woah Clutch! Careful! It's a long fall off of that high horse! Listen, I live in Florida (the biggest swing state right now) and there have been more negative mudslinging ads from Bush than from Gore. And let's face it, Bush has lied to the American public just as many times, if not more than Gore. Here's a list of just a few of them. Bush has been known to say some pretty stupid things just to look good to the swing voters (e.g. he's pro-life, but wouldm't necessarily appoint pro-life Supreme Court justices (wha-?!) or his "No changes, no reductions" Social Security speech that he aired often early in the campaign, before introducing his plan to change Social Security). I think what sets the 2 candidates apart is that Bush tries to act morally superior and more in touch with the people (neither of which is true). Furthermore, and more importantly, he's an idiot whose based his entire career, business and political, off the influence of his father. I can respect that you hate Gore, just as I'm sure you can respect my hatred of Bush. But please, don't hate Gore for something that Bush is at least equally guilty of. ------------------
Politician=Liar Both sides will say whatever it takes to get into office...so who is the best liar? That is our next president!!!!! Woo hoo....I am excited! ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
