You're not alone, but I don't think it will be enough by any means. Realistically our expiring contracts are not likely to be enough for a trade anyway. Artest or anyone else will cost an arm or a leg.In his case,he might get disgruntled even for half a season and leave without agreeing to sign an extension.
You're definitely one of the few. If we were getting Barry 5 years ago i'd be excited about signing him. Artest makes Battier a pretty good 6th man and comined they should help shut down some of the good running teams at times if we keep him. However, i think he has to go for salary reasons, then Brooks as I believe they see him as the next Mike Bibby. Then give Sacramento our 1st and newly acquired 2nd round pick to help them get more young players since they're rebuilding. I'm not a huge fan of Artest playing PF like someone mentioned, but then again he can back his man down in the paint as good as just about anyone out there. But he doesn't have to be playing PF for us to draw up plays in the post for him. We do need him out there when T-Mac's jumper isn't falling and won't attack the glass for whatever his reasons are. Since he will shoot from anywhere on the floor with great succes unlike a Barry and Horry combo. So if we have to give up Scola or Landry also i'd still pull the trigger in a heart beat since Artest can take over a game in the post as well and maybe even help Yao down there. Since we can't get him next year as a free agent, it's this year in a S&T or we're never gonna get to add his skills and a much needed toughness to this team that keeps going out in the 1st round.
I am quite sure that Rockets hope for landing Artest during the season hang on Landry´s re signing at a bargain or good price. Pretty Sure Battier + Scola or Landry will make it, but it will also mean that the Rox need to have both signed.
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0:45. Ron Artest is huge. He really can abuse bigger guys (Eddy Curry included). Man, Rockets + Ron artest (Without losing Yao/TMAC) = 60wins. He is the answer to the rockets. I don't know why Scola is worth more than Artest. Maybe because he is "sane"? Scola isn't exactly the age of a typical rookie either
I would much rather give up shane than brooks. I have a feeling that if we give up brooks he will be giving us and the rest of the league fits while breaking down players off the dribble at will.
Though we can count out the possibility of Artest signing for the MLE or the Kings trading him for a bunch of players the rockets don't want.
As much as I like Brooks and his potential, I think the Rockets should make this move because of the instant benefits of Artest. Plus, we already have backups of Francis and BJax(no offense in playoffs) plus potential pickups from summer league, training camp, free agency, or trade.
I'M sorry PRV1981 thinking Brooks is worth right now or even ever more than Battier is IMO the way of thinking that has got this franchise in trouble in the past....POTENTIAL is a dirty word compared to a proven player. HYPE versus defensive player of the year candidate is not a smart decision once again in my honest opinion.
That's just crazy talk. Cato and Taylor are one of the best front courts in the league! Meanwhile, Brooks does not have close to an NBA body and scored plenty of points in college and the summer league vs undersized players like himself. Although i still think Brooks has to go in a trade to the Kings.
As good as RonRon is defensively, the Kings were still horrible in that area last year, seventh worst on a ppg allowed in the league. If the Kings are looking for cap space...well, they can't really be, otherwise they should just let Ron play and walk. If they are looking for cap space and purposely trying to get worse to get a better draft pick next year, we could just do Bobby Jackson straight up. Here are some trades I could see Rockets management pursuing...Kings? depends on the other offers: Trade 1 Houston Trades: Bobby Jackson, Luther Head/Aaron Brooks, Steve Novak, draft pick(s) Kings Trade: Ron Artest Trade 2 Houston Trades: Shane Battier, Chuck Hayes, Luther Head/Aaron Brooks Kings Trade: Ron Artest Trade 3 Houston Trades: Shane Battier, Bobby Jackson, Chuck Hayes Kings Trade: Ron Artest, Shareef (they'd probably prefer to trade Kenny Thomas, though) Obviously, trade 1 would be ideal but doesn't really help the Kings in many ways. With the other trades, Shane and Chuck at least bring a seriously high level of professionalism and focus on team defense that may actually be a good fit for the Kings. I'd do any of the trades in a heartbeat. Shane is a little redundant with Ron. It'd be great to keep him and have him come off the bench, though.
I'd do this one We can include a sign and trade of Carl Landry in the package (and potentially take back one of their contracts that they don't want). This way - everyone wins - Kings gets Landry, Brooks and picks, Rockets gets Artest and Landry gets paid.
I thought sign and trade deals can only be 1-1 only, he could be dealt in a seperate deal verbally and I seriously doubt Kings want to take back expiring contracts which benifits us more if we want to resign Artest. I dont know if Artest fits in with our long term plans though and if he does we will have plenty of time for something else. Artest is a big risk, but worth the risk to take. He would bring a swagger, but our team has plenty of swagger. Only 2 concerns with Artest. 1) Chemistry. 2) Will he jet after the season. Artest is a high risk move which makes me sketchy. If Lakers dont resign Odom or trade him the he could end up making more money with Lakers. Also i dont see Jackson going anywhere in a deal for Artest. Morey would never ship a Adelman liked player away back to his former team who is trying to win a championship before he retires. Im not saying he wont it just doesnt seem like Adelman to me. We keep signing Mutombo for a reason i believe Jackson has the same case. Also Morey only 2nd season it would look bad on him if he takes the high risk on and he does something crazy or acts up which is unexcaptable. If we was to take back contracts then New Jersey's Carter and Van Horn sounds more interesting. It's not nearly as high of a risk then taking on Artest plus bad contract.
Artest is not worth the risk i would much rather take my chances on him when he becomes a free agent now that i think about it as to taking him on then he jets to Lakers for more money, then to sit here to think we gave up possibly Scola, Brooks, Battier no thanks. Lakers are playing cat and mouse game. Let the Lakers or someone else chase him, it appears to me they want to rip off the Rockets the Kings do just because they believe Artest will end up with Lakers anyways and because Kings/Lakers Adelman/Kings history they would be the last ones laughing. Chances are he will bail for more money for half a season's rental isnt worth the risk. Let Lakers ruin their plans like Odom for Artest+Bad contracts seems more likely in the Rockets interst anyways since it would increase our shot of signing him when he becomes a free agent. Hope this makes sence to some.
I look at this like a scottie pippen type deal. too much risk for a player that notoriously ends up saying or DOING something that won't help the team. I would rather wait for the pieces to evolve(landry, scola, brooks) then give it all up for a suspect player. ex. Astros.
As promising as Brooks as, he is very replaceable at this point in his career. He should definitely be included if that's who the Kings covet. I like Shane, but he has to be included with Brooks to get Artest, I'd do it. Giving up Scola instead of Battier would be OK, but that would essentially force Artest to primarily play the 4, which I don't think is a good spot for him. As much as I'm wary of his combustible history, I think Artest would really bring a different dynamic to this team with his bulldog attitude and versatility (think KG-lite).
Yea, no need for Morey to panic, make knee jerking mistake, or get trigger happy about it- see Cuban. If Lakers make the trade for him chances are they had to give up Odom and take on Artest+extra contracts then i see Sacramento doing such a thing only because it's actually a better deal to them then it is dealing with Rockets/Adelman. I hope Lakers land him by the deadline which then would tell me A)Artest B)Bynum C)Ariza (i think) D)1 or 2 of the above wont resign because they made the knee jerking mistake to retain Artest's services with the bad contract take on. Then this all works in the Rockets favor next season if no moves are made. But my point is if anybody makes the trade for Him he wont be with that same team the following season unless it's the Lakers or Nuggets maybe Heat. Rockets could take him on only if Morey panic's, but chances are we f****** UP if we do so.
