[Done Deal] Rockets dealing Juwan Howard for Mike James

What are the chances or some type of package for Jermaine Oneal???

 

I think them both being aggressive players who are of African-American descent is enough for some to come to the conclusion.

 

Wouldn't signing Hayes back cost us part of the MLE? Perhaps that's why we got JR, because they know they will use their MLE somewhere else and they needed another extra body.

 

I was just about to post. If you look at his last three games on his bio on nba.com, he scored 19 points. Weak rebounder but good size at 6'9"

 

Hmm, Juwan Howard lite you suppose?

 

all the points he put up were in blowout losses and at a low %. it's not very reassuring that he wasn't getting minutes until minny went into tank mode.

 

Yeah. That's why Les doesn't give players kickers. It makes them harder to trade.

 

This time it was Uncle Les getting kicked by the trade kicker he wouldn't give out in the first place which led to the player in question leaving his team only to return in today's trade. If that isn't poetic justice, then I need a new definition for the term.

 

resigning players you have a season before does not eat the MLE

 

No MLE needed for Hayes. He's played 2 seasons with the Rockets so they have his Early Bird Rights.

 

who is bracey wright?

 

Nice trade Rockets essential saved 14 million dollars. How?

Well we are very close to signing MJ last summer but now we waited a year and got him anyway while dumping a bad contract. OK there might be trade kicker involved but 14 mil speaks for itself. Good bye ole Juwanaman and welcome back Mike James.

Think about it thanks to James we got Rafer for free and now Juwan has been unloaded.

 

Ok thanks for that.

 

You are not looking at the bigger picture. He doesn't give ANY players trade kickers because it makes them harder to trade. I assume this has been Rockets policy since 1993. Other teams do not want to take on the kicker money. It counts against their cap and so on.

It is a team policy. This is not about Mike James.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap99.htm#83

How do trade kickers affect the salary cap and trades?

For the salary cap, the value of an assignment bonus (trade kicker) is applied evenly to team salary among the remaining years of the contract, excluding non-guaranteed years (see question number 90 ) and years following an Early Termination Option (see question number 48 ). For example, suppose the player from question number 82 is traded during the fifth season of his contract. Per the chart in that question, the actual value of his trade kicker that season is $450,000. If every season of the contract is guaranteed, and there is no Early Termination Option, then the $450,000 is spread evenly among the final three seasons of the player's contract, for $150,000 per season. Since the player earns $1 million per season, $1,150,000 is included in the team salary in each of those seasons.

Now suppose the player has an Early Termination Option following the fifth season of his contract. In this event, the entire trade kicker will be allocated to the fifth season of the contract. The player will therefore count $1,450,000 as team salary during that season. If the Early Termination Option is not exercised, $1,000,000 will be included in the team salary during the sixth and seventh seasons.


For trades, these kickers can be a nuisance. When a team trades for a player with a trade kicker, it must count the portion of the kicker that applies to that season as incoming salary. Let's say a team wants to trade their $900,000 player for the player used in the example above. Using the first case above, where there is not an Early Termination Option or non-guaranteed season, the kicker counts $150,000 in the current season, so the trade cannot be made. The team trading the $900,000 player can accept $1,135,000 in return (see question number 67 ), but the player with the trade kicker counts as $1,150,000 in incoming salary.

Fortunately, the CBA allows the player to waive part of his trade kicker, if necessary, in order to complete a trade. To make the above trade work, the player would need to waive $45,000 of his $450,000 trade kicker. The kicker would then be worth $405,000, and one-third of that, or $135,000 would be allocated to the current season. The player would therefore count $1,135,000 as incoming salary, which exactly matches the maximum the other team can accept in return for their $900,000 player. The player is not allowed to waive more than the amount necessary to make the trade work.

Another potential difficulty is that a team trading a player with a trade kicker uses the player's original salary, before the kicker, when comparing salaries for trade. Here is another example, using the same player as before. This time, let's assume our player has an Early Termination Option following the fifth season of his contract, so if he is traded during the fifth season, the entire kicker is allocated to that season. This means that following a trade, $1,450,000 is included in his new team's team salary. Suppose a team wants to trade their $1,300,000 player for this player. The other team can accept $1,595,000 for their player, and our player counts $1,450,000 as incoming salary. So it works from their end. But our player counts $1 million as outgoing salary, so the most we can accept in return is $1,250,000. This means the trade doesn't work from our end. And in this case, waiving a portion of the trade kicker will not expedite matters.

 

No they didn't save nothing. Well, maybe some, but definitely not $14m. Rox didn't spend the MLE on MJ last summer, but they still used it somehow (over 3 scrubs IIRC).

 

I see that the irony of the situation has completely escaped you. Let's see now: James requests, no demands, that a trade kicker be tossed in before he come back to the Rockets who traded him way to Toronto. Les & the Rockets say "NO" due to all of the reasons you outlined above. Minny says "sure thing dude" and off goes James to the great white north. Now two years later having seen the error of their ways, Les & the Rockets approach Minny and make the trade to get James back here only now, Les has to swallow the trade kicker he refused to give out the first time. Brilliant!

 

i thought the wolves pay the kicker?

but you gotta relax dude. Its mike freaking james...not like they let lebron walk.

 

i'd rather pay mike james the trade kicker than paying juawn 6 million dollars per year.

 

It is rather funny, but at least now we got rid of Juwan's contract and the trade kicker is gone from James deal now that it is paid.

The Rockets will be better with James and without Juwan, should have happened at the trade deadline, but that is another story.

DD

 

He has not swallowed anything. He has kept a team-wise policy that makes it easier to trade players.

If MJ knew about the policy and still demanded the kicker then he really didn't want to be a Rocket. He didn't HAVE to have one, but that's MJ.

You complain about the policy now, but if it helps makes positive trades it might just be a good thing. I really don't know but I see both sides.