Does being DPOY have to happen for you? If so, its likely about to be true. tbh you aren't watching enough or followed GS enough if you actually want to try and think DG doesn't hold his own against opposing bigs. It's well documented all over on why GS is so successful when they go to their best lineup with him at the 5. You can skew numbers to whatever you want to believe because it doesn't tell an entire story
Your broken clock evaluation isn't very good. That's cute you think you are an evaluator, but everyone is a big shot on teh interwebz.
DPOY is a fine argument when used in the proper context. Mutombo won a bunch of DPOY awards. That doesn't mean I'd trust him to guard Allen Iverson. How am I skewing anything? Draymond Green can absolutely hold his own against centers who can't create their own shot. The question is, has he proven he can hold his own against offensively talented centers?
What matters is that I'm right. I was right before, I'm right now. The same people who were wrong before are still wrong now and making asses of themselves. It's pretty sad.
We can't let GS play hack a Howard/Capela/Smith as we can't afford to waste very many possessions on crappy Points per positions plays like the hacking. If they resort to that, we need to put DMo in at center.
Was Mutombo as versatile as DG is defensively? Nope. Use in the proper context right. to those that follow him enough its seems outside of you, yes he has proven to hold his own against offensively talented bigs in this league.
That's exactly my point. You're implying that b/c he'll be named DPOY, Green has proven he can guard offensively talented centers. Like who?
Yea but if Smith loses Green he has length to recover quicker. One thing is for sure, if Smith's not mobile enough then we know DMo's REALLY not quick enough. I just don't DMo being able to keep up with any of GS's PF's
It's a 50/50. Depends on what Smith we get. Josh can still create off the dribble and also pass. If we get Smoove from last year's Dallas series I like our chances
For actual evaluators it matters, WHY you are right. Claiming a 2nd year to be garbage when their production is essentially average shows how you go lucky. A blind squirrel will still find a nut. A broken clock is right twice a day. Throwing crap against a wall and seeing what sticks. These aren't characteristics of good evaluators. However, it does take a big man to admit their insecurities as you have. You don't care WHY someone is right as long as you are right. Good to know and thanks for your admission.
I was right because I saw why players were good or why players were not good when others were just going on raw numbers without context. The Jones nut huggers constantly say that "no one could have known that he'd decline".....well, I did, and I wasn't alone. Some people are good at this, some people aren't. Everyone is wrong sometimes, but those who were wrong in this instance are doubling down and it's embarrassing to see.
again if you really aren't sure then you just haven't followed him enough. either way, hes about to show you on their run to win another title.
definitely with Dmo. defensively he just isn't capable of moving around with DG and how active he is. his main worth would be offensively with his ability to score in the post but that was when he was at his best. right now its just not realistic to expect that nor is he at that point
So because you can't prove your assertion, that means I haven't followed him enough. Ok, that sounds reasonable.
i don't need to post something that's obvious and well documented already. Why do i have to prove something that you could easily look up yourself, where its not actually an assertion but the truth. its not hard to look up. Just try Draymond Green and defense and see what you find, since you don't obviously watch the games and see for yourself. It makes sense that you are still trying to downplay DG since this has come up before on what you think hes worth. Your own opinion makes you blinded by whats really happening out there. You keep trying to doubt him yet again, when everything else says otherwise. If you ever tone down the stubbornness maybe you could actually appreciate the player hes become. The Rockets would for sure love him.
It's neither obvious nor well documented. I'm asking specifically about his ability to guard offensively gifted centers. You're trying to answer by citing his effectiveness against the average NBA center. I watch Warrior games when they're on national tv. The problem is, those games usually don't feature offensively talented centers. However, I did google "draymond green defense", and one of the first articles is a breakdown of Green's defense on Anthony Davis in game 2 of the playoffs last year. The verdict was that Green didn't play great defense; Davis simply missed uncontested looks. So me asking for specific examples means I'm blind and stubborn? Me looking up minutes and stats means I'm blind and stubborn? Sorry, but in this instance, you're the blind and stubborn one. You've fallen in love with the narrative and are unwilling to think for yourself.
Sure sure. Raw numbers? Who said anything about them. Without context? Come on.... basketball reference offers "context" into production. Of course you weren't alone. This is CF, people immediately take sides on players we draft and acquire. No one could have known that TJones would have had as many baffling injuries. Some people just are too insecure to admit that they got lucky. As you said, all you care about is being right. That's not a characteristic of a good evaluator.
No, but people did know that what some thought were good performances by him would fall off because they knew that he was a fundamentally unsound player....and then some just failed to see it for years. Hell, some still don't see it. Jones isn't garbage due to injuries, he's garbage due to never learning the mental side of the game. Never learning to play defense, never learning how to shoot the basketball, never learning anything really. He is the same player now that he was in college, and that's why he's worthless. Sure the injuries didn't help, but he was always a guy that wasn't going to make it. Some saw that, some embarrassed themselves for years. Again, everyone misses from time to time, it's just how it goes. What I fault you guys for is not admitting it and instead doubling down on the same awful analysis.
