Donald Trump wants to ban ALL Muslims entering the US

I lean to the left but Pew is very well regarded and the data are very real. Not generalizing anything but in predominantly Muslim countries, I believe those views are somewhat representative. Dismissing it as one side's propaganda would be a mistake.

 

I disagree. It gives light as to why Muslims are often the ones committing these terrorist acts.

No, not all Muslims are terrorist or terrorist supporters or sympathizers. Not even most. The issue is their extreme beliefs. Extremism leads to terrorism. For Muslims to deal with the issue themselves, they have to reject these archaic barbaric beliefs. Christians have done this and continue to evolve away from this.

 

absolutely

 

No what it does it try to label 500 million - 1 billion Muslims as extremists who tacitly support terrorists.

It's a very misleading connection.

People are confusing backwardness with extremism. Yes both are bad but radical Islam is not the same as what is in this poll. These radicals are taking it to a whole new level and it's not coming from their basic teachings and religious schools but from other radicals.

 

Donald Trump is dangerous, and not just for the reasons often cited.

I do not think he will win the Presidency. However, he is setting the precedence that serious Presidential candidates can say outrageous and hateful things and still be an acceptable candidate. That means in the future that candidates will be able to say or believe extreme views and be accepted.

 

Yes, it's an important distinction

 

This is why many of us take for granted Trump has no chance to be nominated and consider his candidacy pure theater. Historically, about half the folks in Iowa & NH decide just a few days prior to the caucus/primary.

As I see it, the question is how much Trump tarnishes the eventual nominee and whether he goes rogue as a third party.

 

Honestly it says a lot more about our country than Trump. We apparently have a deep underbelly of ignorant bigots and xenophobes. It's shocking that Trump has much of any support at all. I hate to invoke the Hitler card but this kind of rhetoric is how it starts.

 

We have always had people that share these values.

The difference? In the past you could make comments or express your opinion without losing your job or being labeled on par with a rapist. Now, for better or worse, we live in a politically correct society that tells people it isn't okay to hold negative views about blacks, mexicans, women, gays, the poor, etc.

Just because you can no longer make insensitive comments, doesn't mean that people suddenly embrace everyone different. Trump isn't politically correct, he says whatever he wants without consequence and THAT validates people that hold similar views, they also love the fact that he isn't PC in an overly sensitive world.

As I told my gay friend, do not fall into the trap of believing that everyone suddenly accepts homosexuality or gay marriage. It just isn't discussed in public anymore out of fear of punishment.

Long term that is probably a good thing, but Trump is in part a byproduct of the world around him.

 

Anyone care to debate?

Do you guys not get this? This country has justifiably put a moratorium on immigrants coming from countries we were at war with. That wasn't fascism then, it's not fascism now

Instead of being at war with a country, sects of Islam are at war with us. Just look at the Pew numbers. If we can bar geographical areas we can bar religions.

 

A religion is not a national origin, especially when there are over 1 billion adherents around the world. Beyond violating centuries of tradition, Trump's proposal would also prevent Muslim US citizens from reentering their country. This is clearly a violation of all kinds of due process and rights of American citizens.

If barring Muslims from entering the US is a viable idea to you, what do we do with the numerous Muslims already in this country? Are we going to put Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Hakeem Olajuwon into internment camps? Do we exile Muhammad Ali?

 

Well get your facts correct and then ask those questions. He isn't preventing Muslim US citizens from re-entry.

It is actually the opposite. He is ordering them to come back. Trump has gone on record to say that American Muslims overseas will be allowed re-entry and actually must return.

and for Non-American Muslims it will be a temporary ban

 

I'm not usually for stripping people of their rights, but I really don't think I could be against stripping Trump of his citizenship, seizing all of his assets, and deporting him to Mexico.

 

Are you aware of the First Amendment, the equality dimension of the Fifth Amendment, and the No Religious Test Clause of Article VI?

"but the constitution only applies to American citizens!!111"

no.

and if you think so, maybe you need to be deported

 

So does mean that the Muslims that are currently serving in the military overseas for THIS COUNTRY will be required to come back?

What about those that have been transferred from their company to work overseas on certain projects? Will Trump require those companies to force their employees back?

What about those that are traveling for their leisure? Will they be required to come back sooner than they want? Will they no longer be FREE to travel overseas if they want?

People complain about Obama going against the constitution - how is what Trump would potentially do any different, if not worse?

 

constitutional violations against Muslims are the norm, tbh--see: warrantless wiretapping, no-fly list, drone kill list, torture, suspension of haebas corpus and the list goes on. the fact that this has become mundane is the real story. Trump is just the most extreme manifestation (to date).

 

A Trump supporter telling me to get my facts right is all I've ever wanted in life. As if there were some type of rational policy proposal hiding behind this insanity. Yes, Trump contradicted his staffer who, yesterday, said this would even apply to Muslim US citizens. I'm willing to bet he'll the opposite of whatever he said today in a few days.

Here are some facts:

How's the loosening grip in your paranoid perception of America feeling right now? Feel like the abyss approaching beneath you?

 

What most are missing about the stupidity of this whole thing is that there is no way you can even gauge who is Muslim and who isn't. If you're going to ban, the only way you can do it is ban people from certain nations from coming here, like "No one from Jordan can come to the U.S." Of course, that would include any Caucasians who are also residents of Jordan. Or, are we going to ban just the brown-skinned people from those countries?

 

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