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Donald Trump’s Strongest Supporters: A Certain Kind of Democrat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. MojoMan

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    US News and World Report further confirms the findings initially disclosed by the New York Times (article in the OP) that Trump has a substantial amount of Democratic support. Of course to those who understand that he is a natural moderate and was himself a registered Democrat as recently as 2004, this will come as no surprise.

     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    So, 20% is a large percentage of Democrats who might be crossing over, but 14% is a "small number" of Republicans who might do so.

    Statistical analysis fail.
     
  3. MojoMan

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    Let's just go ahead and refer to these registered Democrats as DINOs from now on, shall we?
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Contributing Member

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    No, most of us will continue to refer to them as "the fiction."
     
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    LOL. The depth of your state denial is apparently so deep as to be unsoundable.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    Will it be enough?

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c300...oll-trump-seen-favorably-11-percent-hispanics
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704641604576255090213781616

    Trump is the last hoorah of a dying dream. That he may single-handily accelerate the progress of turning purple states to blue ones might be his greatest legacy.

    Lock up California, the Northwest, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, NJ, Maryland, DC, Vermont, Maine and New York, Delaware, Hawaii, and DC in the D column (all states that Obama carried with more than a 10% margin of victory). Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico will only get bluer with the surge in the Latino population.

    You're already at 206 electoral votes.

    Now throw in the probable D states of Michigan, Minny, and PA and you're at 262 votes.

    A Republican candidate would have to win all of the major battleground states: Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. And they would have to make sure not to lose Iowa and NH in combination! Needless to point out that 5 out of 6 states voted Democrat the last time around, and now there are even more D-leaning Latinos in all of those states, especially Florida.

    And now, if states like Georgia and Arizona come into play...

    The Republican Party has created an impossible electoral map for themselves. And from that, it follows that the executive and judicial branches of the United States will most likely come to be controlled by Democrats for the decades to come. Justice Scalia is 78. So is Justice Kennedy. And Ginsburg and Breyer may just be replaced by 50 year olds justices like Justices Kagan and Sotomayor--not only will the SC be more representative of America but it will ultimately be more progressive for decades to come.

    All this so that a few people can gloat over dead ideas and vapid policy prosposals.

    Demographics is destiny. And the Republican Party has chosen to spit at destiny. To their detriment (and possible demise).
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polli...-popular-candidate-among-asian-americans.aspx

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    Donald Trump has taken ascendant demographic groups with conservative family views and upper-class/upper-middle class economic interests and turned them into staunch progressives united by dislike of irrational demagogues. It's a tour de force and a gift to liberal and socialist movements they never could have dreamed of in their wildest dreams.

    Again, demography is destiny, and America will be a majority-minority nation by 2043 according to the census--perhaps earlier. With that will come the inevitable rise of new people in power and money, and thanks to the formative experiences of the last few decades of nativist chaos in the Republican party, I wonder if they'll think to salvage what will remain of the GOP?
     
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    Which explains why the Republicans control the US Senate, the House, a solid majority of governorships and have a huge advantage in state legislatures across the country.

    Of course the margin of control in the US Senate leaves room for improvement. Other than that, one position remains. President of the United States.

    And the champion of the Democrat left that is apparently going to be nominated to contend for that position is without question one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians our country has ever seen, Hillary Clinton. She has health problems, legal problems, integrity problems, ethics problems, likability problems, but not financial problems, as she has huge support from big money donors, especially Wall Street, who she and her supporters supposedly loathe and despise.

    Suffice it to say, every candidate in the Republican field likes their chances against this woman and recent national polls show leading Republican candidates in the lead against her.
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    Leading Republican candidates in an attention-grabbing Republican primary fight while the Democrats lay low and quiet?

    You mean, you took a look at the long-term trends and want to talk about polls not done on a state-wide or electoral vote basis, basically a year ahead of one election? Polls that take nation-wide samples because funding hasn't kicked in to track electoral votes because it's too early in the season? :confused::confused::confused:

    As for the legislative wing, Obama's terms show that executive power, wielded properly, can advance the agenda even without majorities in both houses. And the logic I've spelled out will apply to the legislative as much as it will the executive wing eventually, starting now. You know the Ds do better in election years than midterm years.

    Face it: you can't refute my logic. A Satanist could run for D president, and with the amount of electoral votes locked up and the antipathy nativists like Trump generate among ascendant minority voters, the electoral map would be impossible for Rs to crack anyways--for this year, and if not for this year, for the decades to come.

    And with the electoral map goes control of the Supreme Court. A Supreme Court that can slap down govenors, state officials, senators and Congressmen alike willy nilly in the face of long-term progress.

    Would you like to join me in thanking Donald Trump for bequeathing America to a majority-minority socialist future?

    Or is he going to build that wall fast enough?
     
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    With so many Democrats apparently changing over to be Republicans, you may need to rethink your current analysis.

    And as far as the demographics, the only group that reliably votes virtually rock-solid Democrat every time is black people. If you people really believe the rest of the immigrants in this country are not open minded and flexible about their voting choices you are fooling yourselves.
     
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    Oh yeah? What Northern states fall into the R column with your "shift in Southern Democrats" that outbalances demographic growth in minority groups and with what polling are you making these conclusions?

    You really think that minority groups will be "open-minded and flexible" about a party that celebrates Trump? There's a sure-fire way to attract immigrants: banning groups of immigrants! Latinos voted 2-for-1 for Democrats last election, but of course, Trump will turn that around by walling them away from the voting booths.
     
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  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Your (and the author you quoted) ability to understand statistics is so shallow that most people would think that there's no water there whatsoever.

    Look at the poll's margin of error and then at the two numbers I pointed out. I can give you a more comprehensive explanation, but only if you display to requisite intellectual curiosity first.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yes, the one position which can easily block the proposals from the crazies in Congress and nominate SCOTUS judges to help assure that the crazies like Scalia don't control that body, either.

    And yet, with all of this working against her, she will handily beat anyone the GOP has trotted out this year.

    Go back to unskewing your polls, your delusion has reached critical mass, along with the collective delusion of the GOP.
     
  14. MojoMan

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    I don't think Trump is going to be the Republican nominee, nor do I desire him to be. But he has been extremely productive in getting these marginal registered Democrats to reconsider their political allegiances.

    Trump has also been amazingly effective in neutralizing the twin pillars of Hillary Clinton's campaign strategy, which includes her "Playing the woman's card," which has been a nakedly brazen effort at identity politics and political correctness that most Americans did not seem all that excited about even before Donald Trump put the kibosh on it. Also, he has transformed her former president husband - without whom none of would know who Hillary is, or care - from a core strength of her campaign to a weakness.

    Even if Trump does not do one other thing during the course of this race, his contributions to this race and to our society through these particular actions deserve our respect and our gratitude. And they have also gone a long way towards annihilating the aura of inevitability that once surrounded Hillary and her campaign for president, but clearly no longer does.
     
  15. Northside Storm

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    The race hasn't even started yet. And you really think all of this was worth reminding minority groups who are going to be the majority just how much the GOP "loves" immigrants?

    Yeah, that's called a Pyrrhic victory, at best, and the war hasn't even started yet for just this one election--yet one side is already going to be bleeding from a number of cuts that will take decades to heal.

    So much for the cuddly "rebrand". Minority groups know what the GOP is buttering: Trump has showed them. I doubt those same groups, the ones that will be responsible for most of the demographic growth in America, will easily forget the rancid smell of nativist irrationality targeted right at them.

    Trump can have the Southern Democrats, he's lost the rest of the nation for the GOP. Kudos!
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    You realize that Bill Clinton's favorability ratings remain incredibly high, right?

    http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton1.htm



    Bill Clinton: Favorability Ratings

    Bloomberg Politics Poll conducted by Selzer & Company. Nov. 15-17, 2015. N=1,002 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.1.

    "I'm going to mention some people and groups in the news recently. For each, please tell me if your feelings are very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable. If you don't know enough to answer, just say so. Bill Clinton, former president of the United States."

    Favorable Unfavorable Unsure

    11/15-17/15 60 34 5
    4/6-8/15 60 32 8
     
  17. MojoMan

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    He is not helping her on the campaign trail, as he reminds everyone there of Hillary's "Playing of the woman's card," and her pretense of being an advocate for the needs of women, except of course with regards to her husband, who if she were to be elected would be headquartering his lecherous activities out of her White House.

    Not good.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    ...except among the 60% of Americans who have favorable impressions of him.

    ...who would already be voting against Hillary...

    ...and also of the fact that the political party which consistently works towards passing legislation limiting women's rights is the GOP...

    ...an advocacy she has actively pursued throughout her three decade long political career...

    And who, still to this day, despite impeachment hearings, accusations of sexual misconduct, and various other accusations, enjoys higher favorability ratings than any of the GOP presidential candidates.

    No, not good at all for the GOP. They actually think that people dislike Bill Clinton after his successful presidency.

    Go ahead, continue attacking the most successful recent president just like you did while he was in office. It blew up in your face once, but keep doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results, such actions paint you accurately.
     
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    There is really no points to be gained that haven't already been conceded on "women's' issues. The GOP has never shown any consideration for women's views on women's issues. If you are talking about just the point of being the first woman President, I think that is a milestone many women would like to see.

    Get out of the echo chamber and out in reality.
     

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