DOJ obtains AP phone records

Because I trust Democrats more than Republicans for our country's safety, health and wellbeing.

 

Can't believe more people aren't upset by this. Who cares if it is republicans or democrats? It's still wrong

 

I'm upset, just totally, utterly unsurprised. If you keep up with the activities associated with our new wiretapping overlords, and the reprocussions against those that speak out, the following becomes obvious:

If it's not encrypted, it is being read.

 

Agreed. Rhad and I have been posting about this stuff in threads on this BBS for a few years now. Not too many on this forum cared or really thought it was ever going to be abused.

Reporters being wiretapped? Ideologically opposed groups getting grief from IRS officials in Cincy and Washington? Who cares!

That's how most dems keep reacting to everything Obama does. (I only cite him since he is office. The exact same was true with Republicans when Bush was in office) America is going to wake up one day, see the state of their country and ask "How did we get here?"

It's all the small steps that Americans aren't noticing or don't care about or justify (What do I have to hide? They only do this to terrorists!) that all add up to getting us to a destination where there is no coming back from.

But hey, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Like I said in the other thread, it's not party over country, it's foolishly believing only the party a person believes in is good for the country.

You trust Obama more than Bush with the safety of the country because of naiveté.

 

How many scandals is that in a week? 3? real truth about Benghazi, IRS, and now AP. This guy can't be that impervious.

 

I'd like to see more Republicans step up and condemn this with a straight face.

This is a terrible bipartisan farce.

 

(Am posting in a basso thread, breaking my own rule, because this "revelation" is that important and cuts through all trolliness.)

Just wanted to say I follow your and rhad's work on this with much appreciation. Also share it with friends.

Am sympathetic to the "how did we get here?" but I think most will ask you: what do we DO about it? No matter what clowns you send to Washington, they buy into the same crap once they see the power (and once they see what we're up again, I personally believe.)

Mass nonviolent resistance could help, but I don't think it would get any coverage or move the needle for Joe Blow American voter.

 

If you're resigned to the fact that almost all politicians are going to abuse the power given to them, then the next logical step is to limit their power. This is difficult (though not impossible) since it requires politicians to pass legislation.

 

Step 1 is to actually care. I don't mean the people on this board, I mean people in general. If the people actually cared instead of being so blindly partisan about everything you suddenly regain your ability to influence decision makers. The reason money is so influential in our politics is because Americans are lazy and don't care enough about their government to make a difference. Because of that, the things that matter are only what money purchases time on your television set to tell you matters.

 

"It's easier to get someone to change their mind than it is to get them to care in the first place."

 

says the bush ********er

 

utterly hypocritical.

Still waiting on forthcoming criticism of Stellar Wind program---expanded under Obama, but started under Bush.

criticize both, they say that with a straight face.

 

Call me cynical/pessimistic but I don't think these systems can be changed internally anymore, at least not in any sort of "traditional" way.

I got tired of posting the updates on these issues. Perhaps the above was a motivator...I'm not sure. I still read entirely too much depressing news on our rapidly intensifying police state, but I'm really at a loss for how to counteract it anymore other than the technical means above. And even that's probably temporary - encryption is bound to be "regulated" at some point.

 

be careful, you're sounding like a forefather of this country. you know those wacky guys...

 

A legal document subpoena of phone call records isn't "reporters being wiretapped" .

The question is whether they followed DOJ guidelines in obtaining them by giving notice to the news org (in this case the AP), though there are exceptions on when they have to give notice.

I don't know enough (and nobody does at this point) to determine whether or not one of the exceptions applied here, or whether they were taking advantage of it.

 

You are correct, that was my bad.

 

You have ZERO credibility on this issue.