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D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. tallanvor

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    less regulation of medical licensing and drugs would lower the costs at all hospitals.
     
  2. tallanvor

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    Washington State Insurance Commissioner Announces State Will Ignore Obama's New "Fix;" Will Direct Insurers to Implement Obamacare Per the Actual Letter of the Law

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/State-rebuts-Obama-plan-to-allow-old-health-insurance-policies-231949931.html
    What a total cluster****
     
  3. HayesStreet

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    Totally. No regulation would make it even cheaper! More deadly, but cheaper. Whoopee!
     
  4. ling ling

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    Bowie State, one of the nation’s oldest and most elite historically black colleges, has cancelled a school-wide health care plan that they had offered students, because the ACA was so affordable.


    http://www.bowiestate.edu/campus-life/henry-wise-wellness-center/student-health-insurance-plan-/

    Bowie State University has suspended offering health insurance for domestic students for the 2013-2014 academic year. Due to new requirements of the Affordable Care Act which will go into effect on January 1, 2014, the cost of insurance for domestic students will increase to approximately $1800 per year. If you were covered by the university health insurance last Spring 2013, your policy will expire on August 29, 2013. Moreover, you will not have to submit waivers to opt out of school insurance.
     
  5. tallanvor

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    Just out of curiosity justtxyank, since you work in the health insurance industry, given the news today, would you have any idea how to advise someone trying to buy insurance right now? Would any of your co-workers? The whole industry seems to be in chaos.

    I ask because I just read this article
     
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  6. justtxyank

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    If you are healthy you need to buy a policy in December that has a one year term and ride out all this nonsense
     
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  7. Refman

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    Exactly.

    This is not about what is best for the country. It is about the blame game heading into the mid-term election cycle.

    It is my understanding that solid blue Washington state has already said they are not going to go back and reapprove all the plans that have been folded.

    In short...this isn't going to work, but it working was never the point.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Pretty unfair that Obama is seeking to blame the insurance companies for their unilateral actions.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    haha nice try

    you must really be hot under the collar over this Obamacare fiasco
     
  10. Refman

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    What has happened was predictable. The law requires increased coverage (pre-existing conditions, no cost preventative care, carry kids until they are 26, etc). Did anybody really think that these additional coverage items were going to be free? If the President really thought that these plans wouldn't be revamped and priced to capture the additional costs, then he is naive.
     
  11. robbie380

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    Yes a lot of people assumed they would be free. It's crazy having to argue that point but a lot of people don't seem to get that. Additional benefits cost money.
     
  12. justtxyank

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    I know. Crazy that they they unilaterally decided not sell or keep products that the law says they can't sell or keep.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    ...and under Obama's deceptive plan, those subsidies would come from people whose plans were cancelled and would have to buy a higher standard plan.
     
  14. basso

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    brilliant.

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  15. basso

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    feel the hope.

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  16. LosPollosHermanos

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    LMFAO.

    Less regulation. I think that is the most uninformed r****ded opinion I have ever heard from someone that obviously isn't a health care provider.

    Go and try to justify the $8.00 for a tablet of aspirin by "less regulation." Or oxygen. Or anesthesia. I could go on. They are sold for those prices to patients in hospitals because they can be. Patients aren't going to acquire their materials from elsewhere. They have the advantage of offering facilities that doctors can provide care in. Because of this, they can charge outrageous prices for medications and materials that cost them cents while patients, or even doctors, can do little about it.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    next time don't waste people's time with your worthless insults. just post your arguments.

    No idea what you are trying to say. Why would i justify the price of oxygen? In fact I don't understand anything you wrote.
     
  18. larsv8

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    If you can't understand what he wrote you should probably avoid having an opinion on healthcare market forces, otherwise it is extremely ill informed.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    OR he should just speak more clearly. either one. high school economics says if you reduce a barrier to entry into the market place then you reduce the price. not complicated. If he thinks deregulating drugs won't reduce the price of drugs then he is spitting in the face of basic economics.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Neoclassical economics which is what high school and entry macroeconomic courses in colleges teach ignores basic premises such as conflict of interest. In real life there are other factors besides supply and demand and maximizing utility.
     

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