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D'Ohbama!: If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. ArtV

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    CNN exclusive: Obama to offer one-year extensions to those who lost their coverage under Obamacare.

    The problem is that those policies that have been cancelled are already in the pipe to be cancelled. I guess the government doesn't realize what a pain to undo what has already been done with just a few working days left in the year. It takes more than magic words. And this is 4th qtr which is like Black Friday for insurance companies - most all the business is done now. You think the governement could roll into Best Buy on Thanksgiving and say never mind...change your prices, sell some items that I told you not to sell and it magically happen? This just gives Obama a way of saying we tried to undo the damage done but now it's the insurance company's fault. Government good...Corps bad...

    And really even if it could be done...promises were still broken...changes will need to be made...people will not be in the pool which throws off the balance of their projections...
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    I agree with most of this post. I think it is the right thing for Obama to at least propose but I am very curious how they will do it. I have to see the details of this proposal but it seems way more reactive when this potential problem should've been addressed much earlier.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    panic mode has set in for Obama.
     
  5. basso

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    the problem is, in order to work, Obamacare needs thos folks to enroll. if they don't, the critical mass of users does not exist.
     
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    What a train wreck.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    Didn't Obama just tell people they didn't need to keep these plans since they were crappy?

    and now he's altering "the law of the land" yet again?

    who the hell is in charge here?
     
  8. ArtV

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    Oh I agree. Actuaries have crunched the numbers to get the rates. Now that balance is gone.

    And when I say not that easy to undo, remember the pipeline that these people have been dropped in, if they are like ours, then they are mixed in with a bunch of others that have been dropped for various reasons (most are nonpayment but can be many other reasons). The ACAs have to be identified and pulled out. Doable, but since this is only a 1 year extention, may not really worth the effort. I can see insurance companies saying too late...especially this time of year.

    Edit: Though if you don't get a reinstatement letter and do want to keep your policy, call your insurance company. It's likely they can handle these manually even if they don't want to automatically rollback to inforce.
     
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    This is awesome. Now Obama will get to blame the insurance companies again.

    "I gave them an extension! It's not my fault if they don't give it to you!"

    Totally disregarding the fact that rates have to be filed and approved with a state along with plan designs and most carriers didn't bother getting renewal rates for these individual products approved.

    Well played Mr. President.
     
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    Or you can switch carriers. United Healthcare through Golden Rule is selling policies all the way up the 30th of December that you can keep until the end of next year.

    These are pre-regulation plans.

    Love me some Golden Rule.
     
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    That's what I don't get. Doesn't this have to be voted on or something? I didn't think the President had this kind of executive authority to just change things.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    more edicts and decrees from king on high. Congress should be voting on something like this.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    No - the US code outlines broad provisions of the law and what it should do, implementation and administration is - usually expressly - left to the executive branch & the administrative agencies beneath itr.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    ignoring a law for a year is not implementation.
     
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    I hope some enterprising group of wingers actually takes up this mantle of dumbassery and files a lawsuit attempting to force DHHS to implement CFR regs immediately.

    Very amusing if that happened.
     
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    Problem: some Americans lost their healthcare insurance.

    Be honest. Do you think Congress will enact legislation for them to be reimbursed what they would have received/full policies restored to those that lost it?

    Given your political beliefs, will you tolerate the ACA, to work for the sake of governance; or, do you want no fixes to be implemented so public pressure eventually turns against the PPACA (to ultimately fail)?
     
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    So this is a case of "enforcement discretion"? Could this be applied to any law, for any amount of delay time?
     
  18. ArtV

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    More awesomeness... Have the insurance companies do your work, by trying to rationalize to a 55 year old man why he needs maternity care, AND send them to your comp..

    "The administrative fix offered by Obama would allow insurers to offer certain health plans in 2014 that do not meet the minimum requirements of the health reform law, but require the companies to spell out how the policies are substandard and what alternatives are available."

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-offers-fix-broken-promise-keeping-health-care-170834562--sector.html

    This is what happens when you have people (anyone) in office that has no clue how the real world works.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    Whether I approve or disapprove of Obamacare is irrelevant to me wanting our elected representative body to vote on delaying a law for a year as opposed to King Obama decreeing it.

    I also don't know what u mean by reimburse? who would be doing the reimbursing? the government or the insurance companies?

    Just a reminder, the Republicans took a political beating for trying to stop this train wreck. They were the only ones trying to stop all these cancellations and higher premiums.
     
  20. bingsha10

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    why do you want poor people to die from lack of insurance? /sarc

    That's about the extent of any thinking you'll get from a left on this
     

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