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DOGE The Eschaton

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  1. tinman

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    "never paid a dime of taxes". youre talking out your ass dude. you have no idea what i pay in taxes, my income or my business.

    you really have some serious emotional issues dude. you need to work on yourself.

    trump is the one who bragged about how not paying his taxes makes him "smart". so is trump a "woke clown"?
     
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    if you have access to twitter, or clutchfans, you have access to email.
     
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    Why this sounds so familiar

    All of these mistakes echo what happened at Twitter after Musk took over in 2022, when it turned out that some of the people he mass-fired were actually keeping Twitter functional, and he had to hire some of them back. (“Babies got thrown out with the bathwater” is how he later described those indiscriminate firings.)

    Musk’s recent mistakes, though, aren’t just limited to firings. A 25-year-old DOGE staffer named Marko Elez was mistakenly given “read/write” access to part of the payments system for the U.S. Treasury—a system that disburses trillions of dollars every year.

    Elez’s access was quickly rescinded, but it’s unclear whether his receiving it actually was a mistake, or if DOGE simply got caught. (Apparently, keeping on a worker who trumpeted his flagrant racism online is not considered a mistake by Musk. When Elez resigned after the Wall Street Journal exposed his racist tweets, Musk made a public display of hiring him back.)

    And what are all these mistakes even in service of? When will the supposed spoils from the great austerity push make a demonstrable difference?

    Musk claims DOGE has already uncovered tremendous fraud, but the proof does not support those claims. Most recently, on Sunday, he declared, “This might be the biggest fraud in history,” when tweeting about a perceived discrepancy in Social Security records. His claim proved easily debunkable.

    Musk and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt mainly seem to apply the “fraud” label to anything they find merely disagreeable, like $57,000 worth of spending relating to climate change in Sri Lanka. And some of DOGE’s line-item savings announcements are riddled with mistakes—like an $8 billion contract for the Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE) agency that turned out to be $8 million.

    It should be no surprise that Musk has already walked back his earlier vow that DOGE would cut about $2 trillion from the federal budget—or that these cuts may not be as beneficial as advertised. Musk has a long track record in the tech world of overpromising and under-delivering. In 2019, for instance, he confidently predicted Tesla would produce a million autonomous Robotaxis by the end of 2020. He reiterated that done-by-next-year promise in an earnings call last year, when he promised that Robotaxis would be coming in 2025.

    Even accounting for pandemic-related delays, and assuming his latest promise even holds up later this year, Musk’s original pledge is still off the mark by miles.

    For now, it’s mainly just Democratic politicians, critical press outlets, and massive public demonstrations sounding alarm bells over Musk and DOGE’s recklessness. No elected Republican officials who might hold any sway seem to be pushing back. (At least not officially; reports describe Republican lawmakers privately warning Trump officials about reckless DOGE cuts.) The question now is whether it will take a true catastrophe for top lawmakers to realize it was a mistake to ever toss Musk the keys to the U.S. government—and whether we’ll even be able to afford it if that does come to pass.
     
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    every time I see a story about a MAGA mindless drone getting DOGE’d and losing their job, it warms my heart and brings a smile to my face

    unelected billionaire Elon Musk said he was gonna get rid of waste, and the dumbasses thought that meant getting rid of all the black and brown people…little did they know they’re considered waste as well, and now they’re out of work :(
     
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    https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/nationa...ts-refuse-to-comply-with-musks-latest-demand/
    Sen. John Curtis, R-Utah, was among the members of Trump’s own party who had concerns. Utah has 33,000 federal employees.

    “If I could say one thing to Elon Musk, it’s like, please put a dose of compassion in this,” Curtis said. “These are real people. These are real lives. These are mortgages. … It’s a false narrative to say we have to cut and you have to be cruel to do it as well.”

    Rep. Mike Lawler, R-N.Y., questioned the legal basis the Trump administration would have for dismissing tens of thousands of workers for refusing to heed Musk’s latest demand, though the email did not include the threat about workers losing their jobs.
     
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    The U.S. government is being shaped into this version:

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    While this version is being callously hacked apart:

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    Trump and Elon are having so much fun

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    Imagine being excited that a billionaire is eliminating the regulatory state that overlooks his business so he can screw over Americans lol

    Braindead cult
     
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    Nothing more hilarious than people losing their jobs.
     
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    What point are you trying to make?
     
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    Yosemite National Park is one of the crown jewels and covers 748,000 acres. That's 1,230 square miles.
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    They now have three park rangers left. Three. That's 0.6 park rangers per entrance.
     
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    DOGE is massively popular. WOW


    GOOD DAY


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    Trump administration tells agencies they can ignore Musk order on email reply
    The Office of Personnel Management told HR officials that employees wouldn’t be let go for not replying to an email asking what they did last week.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/02/24/musk-email-government-confusion/

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    The Trump administration has told federal agency leaders that they can ignore the public decree from Elon Musk to effectively fire employees who do not send in bullet-point summaries of their work last week, according to three people familiar with the matter, a break with the billionaire who has exerted significant power to slash the 2.3-million-person federal workforce.

    The Office of Personnel Management, a federal agency that functions as the government’s HR department, delivered the news to agency chief human capital officers on a call midday Monday, according to one of the people, an agency official on the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal conversations.

    Another person briefed on the call said that OPM is also looking at weekly reporting for government departments, the person said. But the person said that OPM was unsure what to do with the emails of employees who responded so far, and had “no plans” to analyze them.

    Musk on Saturday posted on his social media platform X that federal employees would receive an email asking for a list of what they did at work last week and would be considered as having resigned if they did not reply by Monday at 11:59 p.m. Eastern. Shortly thereafter, the email blast went out to millions of people, including federal judges and workers in the legislative branch — prompting confusion as agency heads struggled to apply the guidance to their particular work. Even before the latest directive, some agencies told workers not to comply, fearful that they might, at OPM’s behest, be disclosing information that was sensitive or important to national security.

    The administration’s surprising about-face reflected the degree of unease even among senior Trump officials about the scale and ambition of Musk’s effort to gut the federal government, which has already disrupted some functions. And while agency leaders were given discretion, some departments had not signaled that they were rejecting Musk’s mandate — leaving the door open for certain federal employees to be let go if they fail to comply.

    President Donald Trump, speaking from the Oval Office on Monday afternoon, downplayed any perceived disconnect between his administration and Musk’s X feed. Trump suggested that the only exceptions to Musk’s email were coming from agency heads who wanted to protect sensitive information, citing the FBI and State Department.
    more at the link

     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/24/elon-musk-doge-email-buffett/

    Musk’s latest stunt suggests DOGE is running out of ideas
    The backlash within Trump’s own administration exposes the mogul’s carelessness.
    By The Editorial Board
    February 24, 2025

    Elon Musk is trying to keep his circus going, but his performative demand that 2.3 million federal workers send him five bullet points on what they accomplished last week by midnight Monday offered the clearest indication yet that his U.S. DOGE Service might soon sputter out.

    The mass email from the Office of Personnel Management, the government’s human resources department, was sent out on Saturday a few hours after President Donald Trump wrote on social media that he’d like to see Musk “get more aggressive.” Musk tweeted that a failure to respond would be interpreted as resignation, but the actual message didn’t say that, and lawyers agree it would be illegal to fire anyone solely for not complying with the demand. Nevertheless, the message successfully frightened federal employees, created a media firestorm and — perhaps most important to Musk — created an impression of forward aggression against an entrenched bureaucracy.

    But the backlash came not only from Trump critics but also from stars in the MAGA universe who are part of the administration. FBI Director Kash Patel and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard instructed their employees not to respond, noting that they, not outsiders, will be the ones to evaluate their employees’ performance. Top officials at the departments of Defense, State and Homeland Security also told workers to not immediately comply. By Monday afternoon, OPM officials told agencies that they could ignore Musk’s order, that they’re unsure what to do with the responses that have already come in and that they have no plans to analyze them.

    Like so much else during the month since Trump’s inauguration, the message seemed not to have been thought through. For one thing, it was sent to some employees in the legislative and judicial branches who don’t even work under Trump. And it asked all federal staff members to reply to a single email server with their contact information, their manager and details about what they do — which would have created a massive security risk. What’s more, not all federal workers regularly use email. Some are on approved leave.

    It bears repeating that all administrations should endeavor to make government more efficient. But Musk has not found the right way to go about it. Yes, some employees underperform, but civil service protections exist for valid historical reasons. While many people do work that should be automated or stopped altogether, the way to identify them is not to ask 2.3 million people to write five bullet points on what they did the previous week.

    Musk cites the resistance to his demand as evidence that he’s on to something. He claims, without evidence, that the government is paying many people who do no work at all. He and Trump believe that bureaucrats are mostly lazy, or even evil. These are false assumptions about the federal workforce, driven by the men’s contempt for the “deep state.” The truth is that many federal workers perform highly complex tasks and work on vital classified projects that defy easy explanation. Some evidence suggests they work longer hours than their private-sector peers.

    Musk’s effort to make the government more efficient should be judged by what he does, not by what he says. He claimed last week to have saved an estimated $55 billion, but a Post analysis suggests this number is wildly inflated. His exaggerated claims for cost savings seem meant to rationalize the enactment of fiscally ruinous tax cuts later this year.

    A refreshing contrast to Musk’s latest scheming came on Saturday from another centi-billionaire: Warren Buffett. In his annual letter to shareholders, the Berkshire Hathaway CEO boasted that the company paid $26.8 billion in corporate federal income tax last year — more than any other entity ever has. He cited this as both evidence of the conglomerate’s health and a testament to the greatness of an America that makes such success possible.

    “So thank you, Uncle Sam,” Buffett wrote. “Someday your nieces and nephews at Berkshire hope to send you even larger payments than we did in 2024. Spend it wisely. Take care of the many who, for no fault of their own, get the short straws in life. They deserve better. And never forget that we need you to maintain a stable currency and that result requires both wisdom and vigilance on your part.”

    Buffett, a patriot, understands that sustaining democratic capitalism requires a stable government and a well-running economy that deliver for everyone. Musk and Trump should heed his advice and avoid steering the ship toward choppier waters.


     
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    Twenty-one civil service employees resigned from the agency that was rebranded the United States DOGE Service on Tuesday, protesting the White House DOGE office's actions.

    "We will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans' sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services," the employees wrote in their public resignation letter directed to White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. "We will not lend our expertise to carry out or legitimize DOGE's actions."
     
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