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DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes

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  1. Andre0087

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    You'd make a bad maid too, I'm just spitballing here when it comes to typical MAGA education level based job opportunities when you guys aren't milking the government for food stamps, welfare, Medicaid or causing an insurrection at the Capitol.
     
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    You forgot child molestation

     
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    He's double digit IQ, Russian or a pre-teen. Probaly a combination. I'm not sure how someone joins the board and goes straight to the D&D to give brain dead takes. Maybe an ATW alt.
     
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    Whoa.

    I hope you realize that was a joke

    I apologize if it was taken otherwise.
     
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    I don't really care anymore. There is no defense of Trump and MAGA. I'm tired of dealing with morons. I'm also tired of Trump won because you called us stupid, or you called us fascist. **** you. You are stupid fascists. I'm tired of pretending you aren't so that I can pretend I might be able to change your mind. I'm not debating anymore.
     
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    Now Im MAGA.

    Cant make this **** up.

    Just shows how stupid people are on both sides.

    And congrats on being a good Maid also?
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Not Mistakes
    Blatant LIES

    Rocket River
     
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    Both sides is usually an indicator. Elon is MAGA at this point.
     
  9. adoo

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    this was last Tues, 25 Feb 2025,


    In the middle of the night this past Friday,


    Struggling With Errors, DOGE Deletes Billions More From Its so-called "Wall of Receipts' of Savings


    The latest instance of this savings bait and switch came over the weekend, when the agency led by Elon Musk changed or removed more than 40% of the more than 1,000 contracts
    it claimed to have canceled over the previous week, according to the New York Times.

    The most recent examples of the agency’s over-night revisions included
    • A $1.9 billion contract for IRS tech support that, while DOGE took credit for it, had actually been canceled in November by the Biden administration.
    • A $133 million contract from USAID work in Libya was also canceled the year prior and had nothing to do with DOGE. And
    • a $149 million contract that was supposedly for administrative assistants at the Department of Health and Human Services but
      • it was inked to a completely different contract with a completely different company and a completely different amount also got trashed from the savings list
    Meanwhile, do we have any idea what the cost of running DOGE is?
     
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  10. Rocket River

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    DOGE is the Theranos of Cost-Cutting
    And other notes from the Chaos
    Paul Krugman
    Feb 24, 2025



    Today’s post will really be two short posts on different but related topics: The failure of DOGE to make any progress on its stated goals, and what’s beginning to look like a rapid loss of confidence in Donald Trump’s economic policies.

    First up, DOGE.

    It has always been a mistake to trust anyone promising to run the government like a business. Businesses and government agencies have very different objectives, and even genuinely great business leaders often have terrible ideas about policy.

    That said, there are some common aspects to running any large organization, and if you see what looks like dodgy behavior at a government or quasi-government agency, it’s not a bad idea to ask, “What would we think if we saw this at a private company?”

    Which brings me to DOGE — the Department of Government Efficiency — which acts like a federal agency although, legally, it isn’t; which is run by Elon Musk but claims that he isn’t in charge; and claims to have already saved taxpayers $55 billion, but has presented no evidence to back that claim.

    What DOGE did do last week was present a list of claimed savings from canceled contracts. The total savings claimed didn’t come anywhere near $55 billion, but never mind. Several news organizations, including Bloomberg, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal have gone through that DOGE list, and found that it’s a steaming pile of, um, DOGEshit.

    As the Times put it

    Some contracts the group claims credit for were double- or triple-counted. Another initially contained an error that inflated the totals by billions of dollars. In at least one instance, the group claimed an entire contract had been canceled when only part of the work had been halted. In others, contracts the group said it had closed were actually ended under the Biden administration.

    The big error the Times refers to involved counting a canceled contract worth $8 million as $8 billion.

    Now, imagine that a publicly held company were to release a statement about its earnings that was riddled with major errors — with all the errors going in the same direction, making the company’s earnings look better than they are. What would you conclude? The answer, surely, would be to suspect that the company’s business is going very badly, but that top executives are trying desperately to hide the bad news while they sell off their own shares and possibly loot the company through sweetheart deals and so on.

    By the way, this is the kind of thing Jim Chanos, the famed short-seller, used to look for before making a company a target. I had a long conversation with Chanos that I posted Saturday; paywalled for now, but accounting fraud — sometimes, as he says, legal fraud — was one of his main themes.

    In the case of DOGE, it’s pretty clear that Musk is failing more or less comprehensively at his supposed task of saving money by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. But he doesn’t want the public — or, more important, Donald Trump — to figure that out until he’s achieved his real objectives, which seem to involve taking effective control of large parts of the federal governmentb — particularly those parts of the federal government that are trying to regulate his enterprises and those of his tech-bro buddies.

    Of course, given the indiscriminate nature of the layoffs he’s been carrying out and the devastating effect they’re having on worker morale, he may end up breaking the federal government rather than taking it over.

    Which in a way leads me to my second topic: Growing evidence for a rapid collapse in the public’s trust in Trump as an economic manager.

    I expected this to happen eventually, since Trump campaigned on promises — like his promise to bring down grocery prices on “Day One” — that he had no way to fulfill; he didn’t even have a concept of a plan.

    But I expected it to take a while for disillusionment to set in. I don’t know if I set this down in writing anywhere, but I was quite sure that consumer sentiment would be considerably better during Trump’s first months in office than it was on the eve of the election.

    This wasn’t just a gut feeling on my part. I based that prediction on two things I thought I knew.

    First, I expected the real state of the economy in early 2025 to be more or less the same as it was in, say, October 2024, with unemployment near a historic low and inflation above target but nonetheless fairly subdued. Second, there’s a lot of evidence that views of the economy are strongly affected by partisanship — other things equal, people have a more positive view when their own party holds the White House. But as Feler, Rinz and Chelak have shown, “Republicans cheer louder and boo harder” than Democrats, so we’d expect a positive bump in overall sentiment after Trump won.

    That did indeed happen briefly after the election. But after Trump took office, consumer sentiment plunged:


    And many polls already show Trump’s approval on economic policy underwater, which is somewhat amazing given that the policies economists fear might be destructive — tariffs and mass deportations — have barely happened yet.

    What happened? Part of the answer is an uptick in the prices of eggs and other groceries, which isn’t Trump’s fault — yet (wait until the deportations of farm workers begin). But given Trump’s promise to drive prices down, voters are being quickly disillusioned.

    It surely must also matter that Trump, who ran primarily on the economy, has ignored it since taking office, instead going after wokeness (which isn’t a voter priority), threatening our allies, trying to rename the Gulf of Mexico and empowering Elon Musk to wreak havoc in the federal government.

    So I guess it makes sense that buyers’ remorse among voters is setting in fast. And just wait until people see the real effects of Trump’s policies.

    Given all this, however, I’m a bit puzzled by the relative complacency of financial markets. We’re being ruled by a mad king living in an alternate reality and a erratic, ketamine-fueled oligarch — it’s not clear which is the other’s sidekick. Yet the Dow, despite Friday’s plunge, is still higher than it was before the election:


    What are investors thinking?

    PS: Just seems worth mentioning that Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. So it has been 3 years since Kyiv was going to fall in 3 days. I’m ashamed that my country is led by people who find the courageous defense of freedom annoying rather than inspiring.


    © 2025 Paul Krugman


    Rocket River
     
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  11. adoo

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    Paul Krugman captures the essence of the fraud that is DOGE
     
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    DOGE is basically a bunch of arsonists canceling your insurance policy, pouring kerosene on your house, setting it on fire, and then running up to you with your next month's electrical bill showing you how much they saved you.
     
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    Maria Bartiromo has been a well-known conservative business reporter since the 1990s.
    In 2013, she left CNBC to Fox Business Channel, where she later was involved with spreading the lie that the 2020 POTUS election was stolen from Donald Trump


    in connecting the dots
    • less than impressive PCE / PPI data for Jan 2025,
    • Fed Reserve-Atlanta's foecast of an economic contraction in Q1 2025
    • DOGE's haphazard job-cutting
    • DOGE's so-called "Wall of Receipt" have proven to be an embarrassment


    Fox's Maria Bartiromo worries Trump's federal government cuts could “induce a recession”
     
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    DOGE's wall of receipts don't add up, many errors have been pointed out by journalist


     
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    But rather than push to improve accuracy in its reporting, DOGE decided to go the opposite route and make its new claims even harder to check.


    DOGE Just Made It Harder to Track All Its Convenient / Baseless Lies


    On March 2, Musk’s group posted a note that it had saved taxpayers another $10 billion by terminating thousands of federal grants.
    But instead of pointing to specifics for the savings—as they had done before—DOGE opted not to include identifying details related to the slashed grants,
    The New York Times reported Thursday. The White House claimed the new policy was instituted for security reasons.

    Regardless, the Times was able to identify the relevant receipts by examining DOGE’s publicly available source code, which momentarily retained the federal identification numbers of
    the grants, and discovered that DOGE’s latest batch of savings were just as dishonest and illegitimate as previous rounds. DOGE deleted the ID numbers from their source code
    shortly after the grant details became known—but not before the Times retained a copy.

    “At least five of the 20 largest ‘savings’ appeared to be exaggerated, according to federal data and interviews with the nonprofits whose grants were on the list,” the Times reported.

    The largest item DOGE claimed to have produced savings from included a $1.75 billion grant distributed by USAID. But the recipient of the grant, a public-health nonprofit
    called Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, told the Times that not only had the grant not been terminated, but the funds had already been fully distributed. That means that
    slashing the program would have resulted in exactly $0.00 in federal savings.​
     
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    Full of huge and basic errors and now, attempting to hide them from verification. Full line by line transparency lol

    NYT: Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has made its newest claims harder to check — for “security purposes,” according to a White House official — after a series of news reports called out DOGE’s error-filled data. But we found the errors anyway. Our investigative reporter explains.

     
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    @Space Ghost See the truth, actually read. GET OUT OF YOUR BUBBLE
     
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    I pulled up a $16M savings receipt today. It was on a $6.5M contract. The math wasn't mathing.
     
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    What are you talking about now? Another zero context post.

    Im doing just fine. nothing is bothering me. Proceed on, DOGE
     
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