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Does this mean M. Redd is available?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TheGreat, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. J.R.

    J.R. Member

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    I'm not sure if this means Redd is available but they moved Jefferson so they could resign one or both of their RFA in Villanueva and Sessions. If they didnt move RJ, they were approaching the LT and wouldnt of been able to resign either of them. And they are also rebuilding mode.
     
  2. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    exactly. the goal was to stay competitive, not to dismantle.

    there is probably no interest on either side for a redd/tmac trade.
     
  3. saleem

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    I'm reluctant to go after him.I think he will recover,but we have had too many injury problems.
     
  4. ThaBlackKnight

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    If the Rockets trade tmac, thats fine, but we NEED a playmaker in return.

    We have plenty of scorers:

    Yao
    Scola
    Artest*
    Brooks
    Landry
    Wafer*

    Even if we keep Tmac, we don't need him to score over 20 ppg like he did in the past. Maybe in games where our offense isn't clicking, then Yao and Tmac can try to carry us to a win, but other than that, we don't need scorers.

    Michael Redd isn't the answer. He's a nice scorer, but he is only as good as his shot is on a particular night. If he isn't shooting well, he does not impact the game at all, except maybe in a negative way by being a horrible defender.

    These guys simply arent the answer we need.

    Good Scorers (not much else)
    Michael Redd
    Rip Hamilton
    Rudy Gay
    Stephen Jackson
    Jason Richardson
    Wilson Chandler
    Monta Ellis
    O.J. Mayo
    Rodney Stuckey
    Luol Deng

    Athletic Hustle Players
    Gerald Wallace
    Josh Smith
    Shawn Marion
    Josh Howard
    Al Thornton

    Streaky Jump Shooters (most of them undersized)
    Jamal Crawford
    Corey Maggette
    J.R. Smith
    Ben Gordon
    Jason Richardson
    Kevin Martin
    Jason Terry
    Mo Williams

    Past their prime scorers/playmakers
    Ray Allen (at this stage of his career)
    Allen Iverson (at this stage of his career)
    Baron Davis
    Stephon Marbury
    Grant Hill

    The guys I listed above are good to great scorers. Some are good to decent defenders along with their scoring abilities.

    However, they are not the answer to our problem in Houston, a # 2 option to Yao. Just like Shaq, Yao needs a consistent playmaker next to him.

    You could pair any of the guys I mentioned with a prime Shaq, and Shaq wouldn't have won any titles, IMO. They simply don't have the ability to make plays vs. tough defenses.

    In these players' defense, that is their role on the teams that they play on. Some of these players are on complete teams, who don't need a playmaker. Cant fault them for that.

    The only ones who have shown to be capable of being a playmaker was Ray Allen and A.I, but both of them are really old now.

    Now I will say this, IF Artest DOES NOT resign with us, then getting one of these guys would be a great move. These guys would be great 3rd options with our team. I just don't see Brooks being a consistent 15 ppg player. I'm hoping he will, but until he does, we need that 3rd scoring option from the perimeter.

    As far as trading Tmac, here are some guys that would replace his role much better as a 2nd option:


    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Joe Johnson
    Rajon Rondo
    Manu Ginobili
    Chauncey Billups
    Ramon Sessions
    Caron Butler
    Joe Johnson
    Andre Miller
    Steve Nash
    Vince Carter


    These are players that have a chance of being traded or signed. In a perfect world we could get Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Melo, Dwade etc.

    I think it will really depend on if Artest resigns with the Rockets. If he resigns, then we either keep Tmac or go after a playmaker. We can't afford not to have that 3rd scorer behind Yao and tmac (or new plamaker).

    I think regardless we are either keeping Tmac or getting a playmaker for his contract. That is the only move that would make sense, unless Aaron Brooks magically becomes a true point guard.
     
  5. J.R.

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    Chris Paul - not happening unless the perfect deal comes along.
    Deron Williams - again not happening unless the right deal comes along, and because we're Houston.
    Hedo Turkoglu - is a FA.
    Joe Johnson - could be had in a deal
    Rajon Rondo - could be had in a deal
    Manu Ginobili - could happen but doubtful. Spurs just re-upped for a run. Is a FA I believe after this year.
    Chauncey Billups - Not gonna happen. He was there difference maker and made them good again.
    Ramon Sessions - RFA, and could maybe be had.
    Caron Butler - Washington seems picky on what they want back, so I say no, but offer the right deal and Butler could be yours!
    Joe Johnson - see above
    Andre Miller - Is a FA I believe
    Steve Nash - Could be had in the right deal.
    Vince Carter - Could be had
     
  6. Dave_78

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    It's odd to me that so many people are high on getting Rip Hamilton but not on Redd. At least Redd can drill the 3 like a layup. Hamilton is purely a midrange shooter who won't create as much space for Yao and Scola in the lane.
     
  7. Dave_78

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    Ok I was wrong about Hamilton. He's a pretty good 3 point shooter too.
     
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    Redd's been available. But I agree with others that I'd like to see us trade for someone a little more well-rounded. I start flashbacking to the Glen Rice trade when I think about Redd.

    Would love to get Joe Johnson. Not sure how we could pull that off without giving up too much. :(
     
  10. Asian Sensation

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    It's cause Redd is coming off a serious knee injury. It's pretty much a lateral move to acquire him for Mcgrady.
     
  11. texascityman31

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    well we better do something!!!!!! I have much faith in Morey. But i want no sitting on those candy asses saying. Oh we are ok we almost beat the lakers.



    Rockets trade T-Mac, Brooks to nets for Carter and hasell.


    Rockets trade Battier and Landry to Clippers for Marcus Camby.


    Rockets sign Mike Bibby with MLE.



    Resign Artest.





    Starters:

    PF - Scola

    SF - Artest

    C - Yao

    SG - Carter

    PG - Lowry


    Bench:

    PG - Bibby

    SG/SF - Flight White

    PF/C - Camby




    Now dont any of you tell me you would'nt like that Jack.

    That spells championship.
     
  12. TimBly15

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    We need a go to scorer late in the game besides Yao
     
  13. Tom Bombadillo

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    Man....

    Aaron Brooks
    Michael Redd
    Shane Battier
    Luis Scola
    Yao Ming
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    Ron Artest
    Kyle Lowry
    Carl Landry
    Chuck Hayes
    Von Wafer


    That team would be very scary.

    Mike Redd does alot of things we could use, like move without the ball...
     
  14. t_mac1

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    u need a playmaker at least. and red has ZERO playmaking skills. so no.

    caron butler would be a better fit.
     
  15. Dave_78

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    Wow. For some reason I thought Redd was a better 3 point shooter (career .386). I still wouldn't mind picking him up with that smooth jumper but I would prefer someone with a game that is a little more rounded than Redd's.
     
  16. Nice Rollin

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    sorry, but michael redd cant do anything unless he's shooting the balll.

    i would rather hold on to mcgrady even if he only averages 15 a game. red will never grab 6 boards and 6 assists
     
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  17. dkoune

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    Our slogan would be even more badass. Get ReDD
     
  18. BaMcMing

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    06-07 6.5 assists // 07-08 5.9 assists

    A TMac fan I am not, but to say several years is a stretch. These two years averages are his career highs. If anything, he's become a better passer later in his career.
     
  19. wallyj12

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    Michael Redd is a volume shooter, yes (many of his games he chucks up 20+ attempts for the Bucks) but he is a flat out scorer. Often times last year during the the regular season and during the playoffs, our offense became stagnant and we just could not put the ball in the hole. A guy like Redd on our team during those stretches would have been really nice. You remember all of those screen and rolls we ran? Especially the ones with Artest, who would come around the screen and fire up clankers or air balls? Imagine Redd coming off those screens! Think about the space he would create for Yao and the less defensive resources opposing teams could use on Yao thanks to another shooter on the floor.

    I know he's not a playmaker but do you realistically think T-Mac will fetch you that guy that fills many people's needs of being a "playmaker"? Doubtfully, most people are pretty much asking for All-Stars in return and most teams just dont give them away. Now Redd was an All star but if the Bucks are truly looking to dump salary then we could be a match.

    This deal works on Realgm trade checker:

    Rockets Get: (G) Michael Redd, (C) Dan Gadzuric
    Bucks Get: (G) Tracy McGrady

    Redd does have his negatives but are we truly desperate for an all around stud? If a deal were to arise for one then we jump all over it, but a deal for a straight scorer like Redd won't kill me. Let's look at our wings: We already have an All-World defender and Mr. Intangibles in Battier who's offensive game comes from beyond the arc or close to the basket, a hybrid scorer/defender/rebounder/bruiser/leader in Artest (assumed he resigns) who's an enigma scoring wise, adding an above average scorer to the mix would give us a nice blend. I truly think Brooks will become an effective playmaker as his ability to penetrate the lane and collapse defenses is already there (not really sure why people want to get rid of him). Also adding a guy like Gadzuric, although numbers dont blow anyone away, immediately adds size and a guy who can play adequate defense and rebounding.
     
  20. ThaBlackKnight

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    With building a team around Yao or Shaq, you HAVE to have that well-rounded perimeter player.

    They are simply not mobile enough to be effective with the ball on "any spot" of the court.

    Duncan and Hakeem were the only big men who have proven that they don't need that dynamic wing player to win a title.

    Russell had Cousy and Havlicek
    Kareem had Big O. and Magic
    Shaq had Penny, Kobe, Wade, and Nash
    Wilt had West, Baylor, and Goodrich
    Moses had Erving and Cheeks

    Ewing and Drob never had that great dynamic playmaker and thus they never won a title. Starks and Elliot were great scorers, and both teams had great power forward production, but they could never be considered elite because they lacked that stud on the perimeter.

    This just shows that even the greatest of big men, outside of Duncan and Dream need that prolific playmaker from the perimeter.

    Big men in general are limited to 15 feet of the basket and within. With today's zone rules, I think the playmaker is even more important. As long as we have Yao, we HAVE to pair him with a playmaker.

    He is MUCH more limited than the greats that I listed. He would greatly benefit from having passes from a true playmaker instead of the Rockets trying to force guys like Brooks and Artest become playmakrs. That usually equals a turnover.


    If we were building around Lebron or Dwade, then I say get these "scorers/shooters" because that would take pressure off of them to score every time down the court. But since we are building around Yao, these scorers/shooters will have to be able to make plays, which they can't or not good at. We have enough players who can't make plays from the perimeter, we don't need another one to cause more turnovers.
     
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