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Does the Rockets front office have a problem with Sengun?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jun 27, 2023.

  1. AlperenSengun

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    A theoretical possibility with absolutely zero chance of being correct, everything pointing to the exact opposite.

    the guy was not even an nba prospect one year before getting drafted. In the mean time he became mvp of a tough league at a very very young age despite being ‘unathletic and slow’. Only this shouts out work ethic, determination alone. In Most European teams have a strict hierarchy, it is not even easy to get minutes at that age,et alone be mvp.

    then he improves on every metric from season one to two. Even at 3 pt% with a massive 9% increase with the coach telling him not to take them!

    Did not get deterred by playing sporadic minutes the first year. His English is much better. And if you watch the Turkish interviews, it is clear that he is mentally very tough, likes competition and doesn’t complain at all.

    He just keeps making massive jumps despite being labeled unathletic, slow etc.

    I am pretty sure he is the complete package in terms of hard working, attitude, motivation and determination.
     
  2. maj21

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    That’s all I was referring to. He is connected and o don’t think he’s making it up. It’s also kinda obvious that Sengun gets treated differently
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't think Clutch hates Sengun.

    He did say before he got drafted that he didn't want the Rockets to draft him, but he is of course entitled to his view, and that appears to have been consistent. Also, and I think that was after Sengun went like 33/15/6 against the Lakers and blocked Lebron and dunked on him, Clutch didn't seem pleased and said this would make it harder to hide him. I might misremember that one.

    But I don't think this is about Clutch.

    I'm just trying to understand why our own front office (from my perspective) seems to undervalue Sengun so much, when people around the league like KD, Edwards, PG, the Wizards head coach, etc. etc. are raving about him.

    I obviously can't see them in practice, but I watched almost all Rockets games last season, and he certainly seemed to deeply care and bust his ass in the games. Probably only Tari was on the same level of effort and intensity, and maybe Jabari, but Jabari just really struggled the first 3/4 of the season.
     
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  4. danoman

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    Maybe the front office and Udoka now prefer a starting center that doesn’t clog the lane??
     
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  5. cmoak1982

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    At this point, it’s undeniable that certain players-lesser players-get a pass while Alp doesn’t.
    Jabari was literally the worst defender on the team last year, and his strength were supposed to be defense and 3 pt shooting. Green wasn’t a great defender, KPJ wasn’t a great defender. Yet they somehow get a pass?
    That doesn’t make logical sense
     
  6. cmoak1982

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    He hears things, not connected. There’s a difference. You also hear things how you want to when you don’t like a player
     
  7. justtxyank

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    Sengun has clearly demonstrated he has had the highest floor of all the prospects in this team. However, physical attributes and potentially work ethic(?) place a low ceiling on him.

    he needs to prove that he will overcome those. The team isn’t prepared to commit their rebuild strategy to him overcoming those limitations.
     
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  8. justtxyank

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    bro…

    clutch is connected
     
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  9. DrNuegebauer

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    Is it possible for someone to like Sengun, and yet not see him as being ready to start?

    I like Sengun. I don't think he is a viable NBA starter yet, and may never be. I want the Rockets to succeed more than I want Sengun to succeed, and see him as a valuable trade chip at the moment.
    If he plays next season with the same limitations at both ends, his value decreases significantly. Of course, if he starts and the team is winning at a better %, a lot of the fears are gone.

    Tough one.
     
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  10. larsv8

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    Maybe they just hate his cult.
     
  11. cmoak1982

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    This poor work ethic rhetoric is ridiculous. It’s very obvious the kid works. You can tell in his physical change since he was 16. That’s just a dumb comment.
    Meanwhile you have a guy throwing soup cans at coaches because he’s upset about being coached.
    Maybe instead of pigeon holing a player into a specific type of player. Work on his weaknesses and utilize his strengths
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    And that's exactly part of my beef with "the front office". Lack of athleticism didn't stop Denver from committing to Jokic.

    The other part of my beef with them is that they badmouth him towards Clutch. This is just unprofessional, in my opinion.
     
  13. cmoak1982

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    He’s not in the front office
     
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  14. cmoak1982

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    That’s a fair opinion. The problem with that logic is Green and Jabari are even less ready to start. You can’t hold one player accountable and not the others.
    They should all be given the chance to succeed under Ime. If they’re going strictly off of merit, Jabari doesn’t deserve any PT and Green wouldn’t have started over EGo
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, but he is the most important Rockets fan in the world. You better believe they (rightfully) appreciate him and know he built the best basketball fan community on earth.
     
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    He hates his archetype that's undisputable i'm not saying he straight up lies to destroy his image to make fans turn on him but when you hate a guy enough you might misinterpret what you read, hear about that guy more often. Because you subcounciously look for things that aren't there. They are 100% concerned about his defense no doubt about that but "work ethic" thing is Clutch's subconscious mind doing extra shift.
     
  17. RKREBORN

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    Fixed.
     
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  18. cmoak1982

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    No doubt about that. But I’m not going to worship a fans opinion either.
    I respect what he has built. But taking his word as gospel is not different than taking Pancakes word as gospel
     
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  19. Haymitch

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    I interpreted what Clutch said differently. I think when he said the "work ethic" part he was saying that the Rockets want to see Sengun work on his weaknesses with his work ethic.

    Here is the quote:

    "There’s certain elements of his game they’re concerned about. They want to see a strong work ethic and improvement in those areas."

    To me, the main part of the statement is about the "elements of the game they're concerned about." He needs to improve in those areas. He can improve in those areas with his work ethic.
     
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  20. cmoak1982

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    That’s fair too.
    I haven’t listed to the podcast, only read text. Hard to tell intent.
    Either way, as long as all the players are on an even playing field it’ll work itself out
     
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